Do you have the contact info for the Sate Park CO? I would like to ask him about Babler. It just doesnt seem right that a local muni would have jurisdiction over a STATE park. Although we do live in 21st century America where the constitution has been thrown out the window.
What is the federal register? can you help me out with a link to the paperwork that prohibits OC on federal grounds?
Wildwood:
9. It shall be unlawful for any person carrying a firearm, air gun, archery device or crossbow to knowingly enter or go upon the premises or property of another, or to fire or discharge any firearm, air gun or archery device while on the premises or property of another without first having obtained the written permission from the owner, lessee or person in charge of such premises or property. The duly obtained written permission shall be carried in the personal possession of the person requesting and receiving such permission. This Subsection shall not apply to a person carrying, firing or discharging any firearm, air gun, archery device or crossbow while in the immediate presence of the owner, lessee or person in charge of the property or premises, or to the entry upon the premises for the sole purpose of obtaining written permission of the owner, lessee or person in charge of the property. This Subsection shall also not apply to a person with the sole purpose of carrying a concealed firearm and who is otherwise in compliance with Chapter 571, RSMo., regarding concealed carry endorsements.
Wildwood Police:
This question has come up before. It is part of our mission to protect all Constitutional rights, including the right to bear arms. And, exceptions for the concealed carry provisions of Missouri statutes are built into the Wildwood ordinance dealing with firearms. However, Wildwood ordinance does not allow exposed carry except on property owned by the person carrying the firearm or, if on the property of someone else, with written permission from the property owner. In other words, if someone were wanting to carry a firearm exposed at Dierbergs, Subway or the Wildwood City Council, written permission would have to be obtained from the property owner (or someone with authority to give the permission). The same ordinance applies to firearms for hunting or self-defence, when referring to exposed carry. State statute authorizes the City of Wildwood to enact legislation concerning exposed firearms. Obviously, state law governs concealed carry.
I have not provided the law citations, but would be happy to provide that information if you want the individual statutes and ordinances. Please let me know if you need more information or if you have additional questions.
Brad Wood
Neighborhood Policing Officer
Wildwood Precinct
St. Louis County Police Department
636-458-9194
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More Poice:
Me,
The ordinance/law comes from the City of Wildwood and we are tasked with enforcing it. My response was not taken from a particular opinion, but from the text of the law. I hope this helps.
As I mentioned, it doesn’t prohibit but identifies the requirement to do so.
I have found even though, through the email you provided from Major Hoover, the state does not regulate open carry within their parks. However, since the park falls within the city limits of Wildwood; Wildwood Ordinances do apply. Under Wildwood Ordinance, more specifically section 210.220, you may carry openly however; each individual wishing to do so, must first obtain written permission from the owner, lessee or person in charge of the premise. This document must be carried on their person at all times when on the property. It is also the discretion of the landowner to limit what type of firearm can be carried and must be identified in the letter. Ones failure to comply with this does constitute a violation and are subject to prosecution and seizure of their weapon.
Sgt. Jim Molden
Watch Supervisor \ Wildwood Precinct \ 17014 New College Ave. \ Wildwood MO 63040 \ Station 636-458-9194 \ Fax 636-458-4839
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From The Missouri State Parks Ranger (Jefferson City):
NOTE: The State of Misosuri is OK with OC, it is the City of Wildwood which can prohibit OC because it is their City limits.
Want ot fight it? OC in Babler, call the police on yourself and fight it in court, that is what will happen.
I received your e-mail concerning concealed and open carry of firearms in Missouri State Parks. Thank you for your interest in Missouri State Parks and your desire to comply with park rules, regulations and state statutes.
Concealed carry is permitted in Missouri State Parks with the possession of a valid concealed carry permit.
Open carry is also legal in Missouri State Parks; however, it is a violation of state law to carry a weapon, either concealed or open carry, into any building owned or occupied by any agency of the federal or state government (i.e., park office, visitor center, etc.).
Again, thank you for your interest in Missouri State Parks. Please let me know if you have additional questions, or if I can be of further service.
Sincerely,
John P. Hoover, Major
Division of State Parks
Park Ranger Program
573-751-5358
john.hoover@dnr.mo.gov