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VCDL/PVC's Shenanigans exploited by the evil Josh Horowitz in RTD letter to editor

T Dubya

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Thank you to VCDL for providing legitimate fodder for the Antis to exploit.

Horowitz is one of the worst, most disgusting gun grabbers in the country.




 
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solus

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OP, I will not exacerbate the PVC issue by quoting your post in the thread you started which publicly continues the spotlight on a singular and very unfortunate event, but do want to ask...

What on this green earth has the man and/or organization done to you privately or publicly where you have felt the need to institute this all out public smear campaign of a singular faux pas by PVC, which I must point Cohen has caused similar ridicule towards other very prominent, but public citizens.

I personally feel your “new” personal forum avatar is disgusting and inappropriate for a purported firearm advocate and leads me to believe there is something else afoot behind your recent threads you have posted regarding PVC appearance on the show.

All of us, individually & organizationally, have lapses and make error(s) in judgement, but they pass IF lesson(s) were learned from those lapses and changes made to preclude similar lapses in the future.

Further, while the ripples from the Cohen interview(s) continue to roll across this nation, IMHO, after a re-read and review of the tone and tenor of your recent threads I could say w/o hesitation, especially when combined with your “new” avatar, you have and are continuing to violate forum rules with your extremely disparaging commentary of an exemplary firearm advocacy organization which made a lapse in judgement.
 

T Dubya

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OP, I will not exacerbate the PVC issue by quoting your post in the thread you started which publicly continues the spotlight on a singular and very unfortunate event, but do want to ask...

What on this green earth has the man and/or organization done to you privately or publicly where you have felt the need to institute this all out public smear campaign of a singular faux pas by PVC, which I must point Cohen has caused similar ridicule towards other very prominent, but public citizens.

I personally feel your “new” personal forum avatar is disgusting and inappropriate for a purported firearm advocate and leads me to believe there is something else afoot behind your recent threads you have posted regarding PVC appearance on the show.

All of us, individually & organizationally, have lapses and make error(s) in judgement, but they pass IF lesson(s) were learned from those lapses and changes made to preclude similar lapses in the future.

Further, while the ripples from the Cohen interview(s) continue to roll across this nation, IMHO, after a re-read and review of the tone and tenor of your recent threads I could say w/o hesitation, especially when combined with your “new” avatar, you have and are continuing to violate forum rules with your extremely disparaging commentary of an exemplary firearm advocacy organization which made a lapse in judgement.

Your loose definition of the rules is disturbing. I am a 2nd Amendment advocate and I am speaking out against the many self-inflicted wounds that advocates continue to make. I am using this forum to hold accountable those bad choices, bad attitudes. I am concerned with our freedoms and though you or others may not like it, I am expressing my concerns specific as to where we are getting it wrong as carry advocates.

I said the Antis would exploit the the hit piece by Sacha Baron Cohen and they are. The fallout of which may hinder those brave folks in Lee County.

I’m the guy in the middle in this photo. You don’t have to question anything, I’m not hard to find. By the way, you ever question my motives again as far as being an advocate even in a dream you need to send me a pm and apologize. I stand behind what I believe and I’m not afraid of any scorn from any of you.

Do you happen to know those two great men in the photo with me?

 
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solus

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Your loose definition of the rules is disturbing. Snipp...

might i refresh the OPs memory...


  • (12) NO BASHING OF OTHER GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS: Regardless of how convinced you are that another gun rights organization is not doing their job, this is not the place to air those concerns unless they are specifically related to an anti-open carry position taken by that organization. All other rants against other gun rights groups will be deleted or the thread locked.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

To reiterate guidelines...”REGARDLESS OF HOW CONVINCED YOU ARE... THIS NOT THE PLACE...”

Sorry you believe, which you find disturbing, that I “loosely defined” this particular forum construct, but, I still believe you are purposefully and publicly degrading another gun rights organization for reason(s) only known to you!
 
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T Dubya

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might i refresh the OPs memory...


  • (12) NO BASHING OF OTHER GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS: Regardless of how convinced you are that another gun rights organization is not doing their job, this is not the place to air those concerns unless they are specifically related to an anti-open carry position taken by that organization. All other rants against other gun rights groups will be deleted or the thread locked.
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

To reiterate guidelines...”REGARDLESS OF HOW CONVINCED YOU ARE... THIS NOT THE PLACE...”

Sorry you believe, which you find disturbing, that I “loosely defined” this particular forum construct, but, I still believe you are purposefully and publicly degrading another gun rights organization for reason(s) only known to you!

The faux Kindergaurdians and the aftermath are legitimate topics of discussion. It is very relevant to having our finger on the pulse in the trends of 2nd Amendment activism and I choose a writing style at times that paints the reader in a corner if you will forcing them to to have a sharp opinion. Sharp commentary is what I do, started on this forum 10 years ago and I knew and argued with the best. Some of them no-doubt don’t like me, but here I am ten years later.

Some of you may remember the absolute top-tier best, Peter Nap.

 
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solus

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sorry, the emotionalized sentimental journey of your history notwithstanding, the point still remains: an error in judgement was made ~ nothing, absolutely nothing can change that the event occurred unless you have a timelord's vehicle to undo what was done! Therefore it serves no useful purpose to regurgitate the 'see what happened' BS mentality.

As for your advocacy, you have been silent on this forum for many years, as for your advocacy...you perform strictly to bolster your ego in public.!

Further, you have publicly denounced and resigned from VA's primer firearm advocacy group, so now why are you publicly leading a vendetta against and degrading the same primer firearm advocacy group you once belonged to, of course now, under the guise of, how did you put it...nawll...truly not worth repeating your self-promoting rhetoric.

As for photo of Peter, shall i send you the one i took of him while attending Skid's picnic, oh those so many years ago?

Oh btw, there is a saying concerning something about a cold day in hades occurring before your expectations of a PM ~ let alone an apology from me being received!
 
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color of law

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Your loose definition of the rules is disturbing. I am a 2nd Amendment advocate and I am speaking out against the many self-inflicted wounds that advocates continue to make. I am using this forum to hold accountable those bad choices, bad attitudes...
Not wasting my time researching your past posts, you being a member of this forum since 2008 and only making 908 posts, and based on your above statement it appears that you believe the OCDO forum exists for your personal posting of complaints about other 2A advocates. In your violation of forum rules, I don't think that entitles you to any apology.

Just the way I see it.
 

FBrinson

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Know them both quite well.

How about these guys??
42672506665_d779a7b959_b.jpg
 
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solus

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Nice composition in your work Frank.

What equipment are you shooting with?
 

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So much to be seen and learned here through the eyes of these gentlemen.

The truth be bold. Their legacy must endure. Hear the whispered roar.
 

OC for ME

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PVC is not VCDL. VCDL will continue to fight the good fight. The question...is there a place for PVC in that fight. I think not. The sooner PVC moves on the better for VCDL. As long as PVC remains affiliated with VCDL their message will not be heard. The ole adage remains true...one aw shucks erases a thousand attaboys.
 

Grapeshot

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PVC is not VCDL. VCDL will continue to fight the good fight. The question...is there a place for PVC in that fight. I think not. The sooner PVC moves on the better for VCDL. As long as PVC remains affiliated with VCDL their message will not be heard. The ole adage remains true...one aw shucks erases a thousand attaboys.

PVC is the chosen spokesperson for VCDL. Let us know when a better org or leader is found.
 
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