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coolusername2007 wrote:
Theseus wrote:
I want you to ask yourselves these questions and answer honestly.
Other than the cause of "right", what do we have to offer the cause. And I don't mean Calguns, I mean the cause of OC?
Not much. Sure we have a few brochures, we have a few who are willing to attend an event. But we aren't organized, we don't have a formal organization, we don't have a board to run the organization,we don't havefunding, we don't have a political/LEA liason, we don't have a voice. Hell we don't even have t-shirts, even the Escondido group has t-shirts (not that we need t-shirts but you get my drift.)
Is what we have to offer today enough to meet the full challenge that we face in California?
NO, not even close.
Can we, in the next 10 months, work hard enough to change enough peoples minds to make LOC a reality in California? 24 Months? 46 Months?
I think we're looking at a minimum of 24 months AFTER 2A incorporation. What we can do right now before incorporation (between 2-9months)is get organized.
Can we, as we are, actually achieve anything if the very 2A supporting lawyers that have the skill, power and influence to actually change something don't consider us "team players".
Sure we can makeprogress, the SD group has proven that.But whether or not they consider us team players is a moot point. Until we areorganized and/or they are ready to tackle LOC on their time table, they'll never "negotiate" with us. And why should they, we are the "wrench" being thrown into their perfectly laid out plans. The harder we try to work "with" them, the harder they'll push back trying to shut us down.
Consider what Calguns is really asking of us and think for a moment. Taking away the rhetoric and the loudmouths on Calguns that are against us. . . Would you rather have Calguns an allie or not at all?
Ultimately we'll need them as an allie, but for now it is exceedingly clear we'll have to go it alone.
We can still have public events. Just not carrying. Until we get better media contacts and better spin control it is actually a dis-service to us anyway, right?
Why not carry? We can still carry, we just need to get a more organized. We may not need to carry at all events, but I see no need to stop carrying cold turkey at all events. Your mall idea for example would be an example where we don't carry, but other venues that aren't full of FUD why not?
Therein may be the compromose. . . We may be able to OC at some events. I consider that we can have many more private events where we can introduce new OC'ers to the cause. . . educate them and prepare them.
It has been said before, I think that if we just ignore the nay-sayers and coordinate our events and efforts we will be OK.
At the same time, I was pretty pissed when Kestryll came in thumping his chest at me when I was the one trying to keep it civil and merely responded to the negative. I had to step away for a second.
Now, thre is a small branch of people that are being less vocal against us and that are branching off of Calguns because of the heavy handedness of the moderation.
I have been offered a forum on that groups board where OC can get its own little home, and I have accepted.
Now, about getting organized, we should decide if we want one larger chapter that included LA, OC, Riverside and SB or each county has a chapter.
I have a website that I have been trying to build to assist us in our quest. Although OCDO is, as discussed, the main method of communication and it does a pretty good job of providing information, it is diluted with all the posts and such.
I propose that we construct that site as a portal for information. A quick, concise site that allows us to collaborate better as a group, inform the public, and provide a singular place where out chapter can spread its own word.
Take a look. If you have any ideas, let me know. If you think you can help build the site, or have the interest, then PM me. I will work with getting each person a login and admin rights so that we can begin to build.
ocrights.org We can use the one site for all chapters or each chapter can have its own custom site. . .that is to be determined at a later date.