This Gives Open Carry a Bad Image

[TFred]

Looks like someone is kissing a police officer's butt. I believe that is against forum rules. And I don't need your permission to respond to someones post.

Good luck with your local issues.

No, it's called civility. You might want to give it a try sometime. The poster offered suggestions that I had personally never heard offered, and I thought they were helpful. Perhaps someone will give that suggestion a try sometime.

I wasn't giving anyone "permission" to respond, the phrase was used to indicate that I was not going to respond to those areas of the post, just the small section that I did actually speak to.

Good luck with your manners. I think you need that more than we need with our Henrico issues.

TFred

 

[richarcm]

BS again. But not regarding what you might think. If a cop saw that there would be RAS, in his mind, to investigate (a Terry stop) because of the exact image that citizen presented. The underlying facts, the truth, is irrelevant at that moment to a cop. The truth of the matter is likely the last thing on a cop's mind given the presentation presented before him.

Nope, that citizen would have been subjected to a very interesting investigative stop, just to make sure he was legit in a cop's mind.

Unfortunately that is the Amurka we have become. Guilty until proven innocent. If your pants sag 1/2" too low, you have one too many tattoos, or you are wearing a hoodie then certainly you are a potential criminal. And if you are also open carrying then automatically cops have RAS. Disregard the fact that we have criminals in our own government wearing suits, ties an uniforms.

I don't really care what you are wearing. Or even how your gun is carried. If you are not making specific threats with or without a firearm then you are not guilty or suspiscious of such a crime. Clothing does not make you a criminal. Neither do tattoos, beards, piercings, or whether or not you are holding your gun in an irresponsible manner.

1/2 the people in VCDL including myself could then be searched/investigated if the standard was only bad fashion taste.

 

[Mattimusmaximus]

If I wore a T-shirt with the word FREEDOM, or an OCDO message, or a quote by Thomas Jefferson many liberals would decry it as a profane message.

So by who's definition should I go in order not offend any of the holy rollers, or HMFWICs of open carry, or fashion police? I may not agree with the message but the 1st amendment still holds, protected by the 2nd amendment on the field of battle.

I just had two shirts made 1. Because of another person on here inspired me it says 1911>911. 2. Has an arrow and the words gun pointing at my holster side.. You can't throw a rock and not hit something that's going to offend someone.


-Matt of Hillsboro OR-

 

[sparkman2]

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/speedo-gun-guy.png



Worse than this guy?

My brain just threw up in my head and I poured acid in my eyes to get rid of that image.
The horror...the horror.

 

[Grapeshot]

--snipped--
I don't really care what you are wearing. Or even how your gun is carried. If you are not making specific threats with or without a firearm then you are not guilty or suspiscious of such a crime. Clothing does not make you a criminal. Neither do tattoos, beards, piercings, or whether or not you are holding your gun in an irresponsible manner.

See bolded - on that subject there are a lot of "well that depends".............

 

[Cisco]

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/speedo-gun-guy.png



Worse than this guy?

Thx... you scarred me for life.

 

[peter nap]

Thx... you scarred me for life.

For once I'm glad I'm going blind in one eye. Now only my good one hurts/:uhoh:

 

[MAC702]

...Because of another person on here inspired me it says 1911>911...

 

[Mattimusmaximus]

Ill post a pic of it later! I promise!


-Matt of Hillsboro OR-

 

[color of law]

No, it's called civility. You might want to give it a try sometime. The poster offered suggestions that I had personally never heard offered, and I thought they were helpful. Perhaps someone will give that suggestion a try sometime.

I wasn't giving anyone "permission" to respond, the phrase was used to indicate that I was not going to respond to those areas of the post, just the small section that I did actually speak to.

Good luck with your manners. I think you need that more than we need with our Henrico issues.

TFred

You could of just said that. And since you had to clarify what you meant I'm sure you can appreciate your word choice left open multiple interpretations.
Thanks for explicating.

 

[half_life1052]

No. He didn't need to clarify, you needed clarification. His intent was quite clear. There is no multiple meanings to the part (you highlighted) nor should there have been offense taken. In my eyes you have come off as a bully and I for one am ready for it to stop.


Thanks

 

[Grapeshot]

Indeed - we hurt OCDO and thereby ourselves when we deviate from the facts and add unnecessary personal remarks.

Ask politely for clarification if you need it - leave snarky remarks out of posts.

In fighting is the bane of internet forums.

 

[autosurgeon]

I OC most of the time in the summer and many times I am dirty from working on whatever. I might pull on a clean shirt if I am too nasty but otherwise I will go to the store or grab dinner without changing my clothes.

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[PALO]

I OC most of the time in the summer and many times I am dirty from working on whatever. I might pull on a clean shirt if I am too nasty but otherwise I will go to the store or grab dinner without changing my clothes.

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And I think there is certainly an operative difference between dressing like a thug, and having clothes dirtied from hard work.

The wearing of pants w/o a belt and hung low is actually a reference to prison attire, since they aren't allowed to have belts, etc. lest they hang themselves etc. with them. Why any law abiding person would want to wear clothes in a manner that apes a criminal convict... well, that says a lot. Many do it out of ignorance of the "meaning" of it of course.

I love it when perps dress like that, though. It makes it really hard for them to (effectively) get away in a foot pursuit. I have seen more than once, a person fall flat on their face for exactly that reason.

If somebody wants to dress such that it is substantially more difficult for them to evade capture if and when they commit a crime, I advocate more power to them!

The freedom to be a horse's ass is essential in a free nation

cheers

 

[peter nap]

The freedom to be a horse's ass is essential in a free nation

cheers

I absolutely agree!

I remember a few years back when the Virginia Beach Police were wearing TShirts off duty, that said:

"It's a Cop thing. We'll make you understand."

A horse's ass gets stabled in all kinds of places.

 

[color of law]

No. He didn't need to clarify, you needed clarification. His intent was quite clear. There is no multiple meanings to the part (you highlighted) nor should there have been offense taken. In my eyes you have come off as a bully and I for one am ready for it to stop.


Thanks

I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.

And you are welcome.

 

[nemo]

And speaking of things that gives OC a bad name: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52690419/...ors-man-flaunts-gun-shoots-self/#.UgIEk6w_6So.

That's gotta hurt!

 

[peter nap]

I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.

And you are welcome.

Gotta agree with Half-life and to add a little more, I get tired of your trolling over here. Find someone in Ohio to annoy!

 

[Thundar]

A little. It's a bit hard to promote 2A when folks are not responsible. Now if those pants were designed to secure a firearm then that would be acceptable. I to, if I saw such a nimrod my awareness would be heightened. If I saw a responsible look chap with an OC in a holster then I wouldn't. Is called being human...

What is the difference between being human and human being?

 

[Kamihoshi]

I am going to start off by qualifying what I have to say. I am not trying to pick a fight or criticize. I am trying to provoke thought.

The original subject of this thread was not an advocate as we are. That young man is part of the norm for his generation. His actions are part of our desired outcome. That being that "normal" people carry a firearm as part of their daily life.

We collectively seem to be judging someone for their "message" when sending a message was probably not their intent.

Maybe we instead should just be happy that our "message" appears to be getting across?

This. While I don't sag my pants and/or wear black bandannas, I do have long hair, stretched ear piercings and tattoos. Imo, we shouldn't have to adhere to a certain style of dress while open carrying, but we should be tactful while doing it.