stainless1911
Banned
It has been mentioned in various threads that Yance and I have been working on something in the shadows. Now, I want to let you know what that is. Earlier this summer, Yance and I rewrote MCL 750.227 and presented it to my Representative Eileen Kowall District 44, in an effort to attempt to remove or modify this unconstitutional law. The reason for the wait, was because in our meeting, Eileen said that the legislature was about to go on summer break. I waited to release this project so that the thread wouldn't get cold.
As soon as SB59 went down, I decided to make my move on this, I had been working on it for quite a while beforehand. It was the right time, I reminded her that gun owners voted in this majority, and we wanted something to show for it. That the opportunity for real change should not be missed.
We approached her on this subject not from an OC standpoint, not so much from a gun rights standpoint, but from a private property issue. Yance was able to very eloquently present it to her as a constitutional issue.
Glock9mm graciously provided us with some numbers from the census which proved most helpful in our presentation. Thanks G9. Unfortunately, she asked to take the information with her for review, and it was my only copy. :banghead: It showed the population of the state, vs how many people were prohibited, vs how many people had active CPLs and so on. We used that information to show her how the right had been eliminated altogether by this law. 9 million residents, minus the under 18s, the prohibited persons left around 7 million. To exercise self defense in a private vehicle, you need a CPL. That leaves only 320,000 people left with the "right". I pointed out that since a CPL turns a right into a privelidge, that no one had the right to keep and bear in a vehicle.
We pointed out that there were IIRC 28 states, a majority, that had permit-less vehicle carry.
We came at this from a private property position in saying that your vehicle should be treated as your home as it is in most states.
You can carry, even conceal on your own property without a CPL because it is indeed private. If the police want to search your home, they need RAS and PC to get a warrant because of that private status. They need a warrant likewise to search your vehicle, again, because it is private property. But, if you carry a gun, even openly in or on a vehicle, it is a felony without a CPL. This doesn't make sense we said, you can't have it both ways. You need continuity within the law.
The changes would change the way things work in Michigan for everyone. We pointed out that laws like SB59 would affect only 300k people, while this one would affect everyone in the state. It would allow people the right to self defense in their vehicles. It would re instate the right to carry a concealed knife, the most basic and affordable means of self defense. It would eliminate the OC/CCW on a bicycle or other vehicle debate. It would require disclosure to LEO, something I don't really like, but I felt necessary to include so that the police would consent to its passage. It would also strengthen the vehicle owners ability permission to either allow or deny the presence of weapons in their vehicles.
I would encourage you to contact Eileen, and encourage her to introduce this bill as written, as she indicated she would do. I have also asked Representative Opsommer to lend a hand in passing this into law, and he said he would be delighted to participate.
Yance, I would encourage you to repost this on MOC and MGO in legal if you would. Thanks.
As soon as SB59 went down, I decided to make my move on this, I had been working on it for quite a while beforehand. It was the right time, I reminded her that gun owners voted in this majority, and we wanted something to show for it. That the opportunity for real change should not be missed.
We approached her on this subject not from an OC standpoint, not so much from a gun rights standpoint, but from a private property issue. Yance was able to very eloquently present it to her as a constitutional issue.
Glock9mm graciously provided us with some numbers from the census which proved most helpful in our presentation. Thanks G9. Unfortunately, she asked to take the information with her for review, and it was my only copy. :banghead: It showed the population of the state, vs how many people were prohibited, vs how many people had active CPLs and so on. We used that information to show her how the right had been eliminated altogether by this law. 9 million residents, minus the under 18s, the prohibited persons left around 7 million. To exercise self defense in a private vehicle, you need a CPL. That leaves only 320,000 people left with the "right". I pointed out that since a CPL turns a right into a privelidge, that no one had the right to keep and bear in a vehicle.
We pointed out that there were IIRC 28 states, a majority, that had permit-less vehicle carry.
We came at this from a private property position in saying that your vehicle should be treated as your home as it is in most states.
You can carry, even conceal on your own property without a CPL because it is indeed private. If the police want to search your home, they need RAS and PC to get a warrant because of that private status. They need a warrant likewise to search your vehicle, again, because it is private property. But, if you carry a gun, even openly in or on a vehicle, it is a felony without a CPL. This doesn't make sense we said, you can't have it both ways. You need continuity within the law.
The changes would change the way things work in Michigan for everyone. We pointed out that laws like SB59 would affect only 300k people, while this one would affect everyone in the state. It would allow people the right to self defense in their vehicles. It would re instate the right to carry a concealed knife, the most basic and affordable means of self defense. It would eliminate the OC/CCW on a bicycle or other vehicle debate. It would require disclosure to LEO, something I don't really like, but I felt necessary to include so that the police would consent to its passage. It would also strengthen the vehicle owners ability permission to either allow or deny the presence of weapons in their vehicles.
I would encourage you to contact Eileen, and encourage her to introduce this bill as written, as she indicated she would do. I have also asked Representative Opsommer to lend a hand in passing this into law, and he said he would be delighted to participate.
Yance, I would encourage you to repost this on MOC and MGO in legal if you would. Thanks.
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