The Gun Lobby Outvotes D.C.

[Citizen]

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The Donkey wrote:

SNIP I trust that nevertheless you would be prepared to allow to the 600,000 DC residents the means to defend themselves against those like you who would oppress them.

Oh ho ho ho ho.

I think justthe opposite is the carefully avoided elephant in the room.

The Democrats, the party of the welfare state, socialized this and that, the nanny state, know full well whatgiving DCthe vote would mean.

Its not the DCdisenfranchised who are oppressed by vote-refusers. Its theproducers andfreedom-lovers in this country whose oppression would be increased by giving DCthe vote. Its notDC who needs to defend themselves againstvote-refusers; its exactly180-degrees.

Only when the vast majority of DC becomes freedom-loving andself-reliant, rather than voting for whoeverwill give them the most handouts, can the rest of the country not have to worry about defending themselves against DC residents who would foist greater government intrusion on them.

 

[KBCraig]

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unreconstructed1 wrote:

I personally don't even support the popular vote for Senate positions, as that simply one more way to destroy States rights.

You're on to their methods, Watson!

Direct election of senators completely destroyed the electoral system of republicanism. That change is what turned our country from a constitutional republic, into a mobocracy.

Senators were originally supposed to represent the several state governments, not the voters. The entire point of a bicameral legislature is that neither the mob nor the entrenched crowed have an advantage.

 

[Doug Huffman]

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"Ten miles squared" is 100 square miles. Looks like they have 31.7 square miles to spare.

The precedence of algebraic operations is Parenthesis, Exponentiation, Multiplication, Division, and then Addition and Subtraction.

The unit of area is length^2 multiplied by the magnitude.

 

[unreconstructed1]

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KBCraig wrote:

unreconstructed1 wrote:

I personally don't even support the popular vote for Senate positions, as that simply one more way to destroy States rights.

You're on to their methods, Watson!

Direct election of senators completely destroyed the electoral system of republicanism. That change is what turned our country from a constitutional republic, into a mobocracy.

Senators were originally supposed to represent the several state governments, not the voters. The entire point of a bicameral legislature is that neither the mob nor the entrenched crowed have an advantage.

unfortunately, no one sees that for what it is. the theft of the STates voice in the FED was probably the biggest atrocity for States rights since Appomatox, but at least we get to vote for yet another liar who will promise us the stars to get into office and have no accountability for those promises once he gets into office ....woo hoo :banghead:

 

[The Donkey]

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KBCraig wrote:

Direct election of senators completely destroyed the electoral system of republicanism. That change is what turned our country from a constitutional republic, into a mobocracy.

Would love to agree with you, because if legislatures had the choice of Senators, we Democrats would have the supermajority we need.

But the fact that majority democrats would do much better under the system you propose tends to rebut concerns about "mobocracy."

 

[KBCraig]

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The Donkey wrote:

KBCraig wrote:

Direct election of senators completely destroyed the electoral system of republicanism. That change is what turned our country from a constitutional republic, into a mobocracy.

Would love to agree with you, because if legislatures had the choice of Senators, we Democrats would have the supermajority we need.

But the fact that majority democrats would do much better under the system you propose tends to rebut concerns about "mobocracy."

Non sequitur, Donkey. I'm not concerned with parties, and parties are irrelevant to the historical facts.

 

[Alexcabbie]

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The Donkey wrote:

KBCraig wrote:

Direct election of senators completely destroyed the electoral system of republicanism. That change is what turned our country from a constitutional republic, into a mobocracy.

Would love to agree with you, because if legislatures had the choice of Senators, we Democrats would have the supermajority we need.

But the fact that majority democrats would do much better under the system you propose tends to rebut concerns about "mobocracy."

Maybe at the moment that would be true, but a State legislator's choice of Senator would be an element in a voter's decision making process (much as Supreme Court possibilities inform Presidential selection). So maybe you wouldnt have all those Democrat state boys next election, and certainly the Democrat senators selected would be MUCH more conservative than than what we now have. Shecky Schumer would not have lasted as long as he had if he had to convince intelligent State political veterans to vote for his slimy despicable ass, instead of pandering to a bunch of pinheads who believe he will get them enough pork to pave the streets with bacon, frinstance.

Plus, we wouldn't have these guys like Kennedy (and Thurmond and Helms and all the other Senators-for-Life of every strioe in the political spectrum) serving term after term until they fossilize. And the tactics of pressure groups like ACORN would be considerably blunted if they had to address the local concerns of each and every State legislative district instead of just making mass appeals to the State population as a whole to advance the cause of their Annointed Candidate for Senator.

While we are flying off on a tangent, why don't we repeal the 16th Amendment and go back to apportioning taxes among the Several States?? Boy, wouldn't THAT trigger a sudden interest in State and local elections!! No more need to write or visit your man in D.C.; just go to his district office in your State and yell at his staff.

 

[unreconstructed1]

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Alexcabbie wrote:

While we are flying off on a tangent, why don't we repeal the 16th Amendment and go back to apportioning taxes among the Several States?? Boy, wouldn't THAT trigger a sudden interest in State and local elections!! No more need to write or visit your man in D.C.; just go to his district office in your State and yell at his staff.

don't even get me started on ammendments, constitutional or otherwise....



As far as having a "supermajority, donkey, you'd be surprised...

 

[JBURGII]

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MetalChris wrote:

wylde007 wrote:

Governments don't have rights

That's what I thought! Apparently we're both just a couple of "Constitutional extremists."

I sense a t-shirt.. "Constitutional Extremist"

I am getting physically ill following a lot of this legislation.. H.R. 17, 45, 1388 and others.. oh 1388 passed I believe..

It has that nasty ol word snuck into the duties section.. "mandatory" .. sigh