That didn't take long! UN arms treaty is back

[WalkingWolf]

Admittidly though many laid off machinists don't have access to a steel mill, iron mine, facility and CNC screwing machines. To manufacture firearms on a level needed to void any effect of a crushing international treaty would be very difficult if not impossible to accomplish.

That's why it's important that we make sure this treaty never sees ratification. However a question I have, if the US doesn't ratify and the rest of the world does, will the treaty restrict the import of firearms into the US by default? Although I guess many companies will probably just open plants in the US or import stuff just right to circumvent the law like how Chevy imported the LUV pickup truck without a bed attached in the 1970s to avoid light truck taxes

I used to have a old German that worked for me years ago, his father worked for Hitler building weapons. He could turn out a gun from metal stock with a lathe and a mill in a week. Metal lathes and mills are not that expensive, it used to be common for people to build 50 BMG rifles from old m-2 barrels and a welder. Making guns is not that difficult.

 

[tombrewster421]

I used to have a old German that worked for me years ago, his father worked for Hitler building weapons. He could turn out a gun from metal stock with a lathe and a mill in a week. Metal lathes and mills are not that expensive, it used to be common for people to build 50 BMG rifles from old m-2 barrels and a welder. Making guns is not that difficult.

Which is exactly why trying to ban guns is just plain stupid. You can't un-invent something.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I used to have a old German that worked for me years ago, his father worked for Hitler building weapons. He could turn out a gun from metal stock with a lathe and a mill in a week. Metal lathes and mills are not that expensive, it used to be common for people to build 50 BMG rifles from old m-2 barrels and a welder. Making guns is not that difficult.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting you at all that a machinist can make firearm parts and that some skilled mill workers can pound out a custom firearm. There's plenty of people with the skills who can manufacture a firearm or two in a week. but how many glocks do you think roll off the assembly lines IN A DAY? I mean it's true you can assemble a gun from improvised parts and any machinist or die or tool maker or even someone who's just good with math can make one. I just don't think our homemade pieces can be built on an industrial scale to replace the current level of firearms importation that would be cut off with the treaty. I'm a civilian member of a police forum that verifies the status of their commissioned law enforcement personell on the forums, and a verified British officer admitted that gun control didn't work too well for that reason, that criminals stole or built firearms with 2nd hand parts. and in Afghanistan they have primitive machine shops building exact copies of Martini Henry and SMLE rifles.

the SCALE OF Production is what I was talking about.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting you at all that a machinist can make firearm parts and that some skilled mill workers can pound out a custom firearm. There's plenty of people with the skills who can manufacture a firearm or two in a week. but how many glocks do you think roll off the assembly lines IN A DAY? I mean it's true you can assemble a gun from improvised parts and any machinist or die or tool maker or even someone who's just good with math can make one. I just don't think our homemade pieces can be built on an industrial scale to replace the current level of firearms importation that would be cut off with the treaty. I'm a civilian member of a police forum that verifies the status of their commissioned law enforcement personell on the forums, and a verified British officer admitted that gun control didn't work too well for that reason, that criminals stole or built firearms with 2nd hand parts. and in Afghanistan they have primitive machine shops building exact copies of Martini Henry and SMLE rifles.

the SCALE OF Production is what I was talking about.

The scale does not have to be much to make the idea or ideal of gunless society foolish. And then their are knives and bows to consider, even if they could be successful they would only change the weapon of choice. Remember the Zulu warriors and the British.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The scale does not have to be much to make the idea or ideal of gunless society foolish. And then their are knives and bows to consider, even if they could be successful they would only change the weapon of choice. Remember the Zulu warriors and the British.

Oh Yes, I'd much rather be shot then attack by an aggressive assailant armed with a Zulu Assagai short spear. those will really screw you up.

Remember too the Boers also inflicted heavy casaulties on the british by adopting hunting style tactics (camoflauge, concealement, one shot kills at great distance) in the same century that the zulus killed many british armed with Assagai, Panga machetes, and some percussion and flintlock muskets. plenty of weapons kill just as well as a firearm. I see what you're trying to say now and I withdraw my counter argument.