Taser, Pepper Spray?

[DreQo]

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....I'm really liking the Taser X26 right now. I'm really consideringgetting one. If it's good enough for tens ofthousands of LEOs it should be good for me.

Well thats the X26. Obviously this has to be carried in a holster. So would you carry this along with a firearm? It wouldn't look out of place on the belt of a security or law enforcement officer, but I personally think it might look funny on the average joe.


*EDIT: My god man that thing is upwards of $1000!! Are you serious?

 

[HankT]

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About $900 on Gunbroker for new ones. There's one there for $625 now, used.

I don't think I'd OC an X26. At least not in ordinary circumstances.

Right now, I'm thinking about three applications:

1. Car PD.

2. CC carry in places where firearms are prohibited but not Tasers.

3. As CC sole PD tool. Foregoing the gun situationally.

I really don't like the idea of carrying both an X26 and a gun at the same time.

The Taser provides a lotta benefits for $900. Life ain't cheap. Mine or someone elses. I'd much rather stop (effectively) a threat with a Taser than by shooting/killing a man. If I had a choice, of course.

One thing for sure, can't have the choice without the tool. There are more factors to consider, of course...

 

[DreQo]

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Well that makes more sense. I was digging through the Taser website and it appears that they also have a "personal defense" taser that is smaller and looks more like a star trek phaser, but is supposedly equally effective. It's also a little cheaper .

I wonder how many places there would be that your handgun would be prohibited but a Taser not. Since the Taserutilizes gas propelled projectiles, it probably fits into most legal definitions of a"firearm", wouldn't you agree?

 

[HankT]

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DreQo wrote:

Well that makes more sense. I was digging through the Taser website and it appears that they also have a "personal defense" taser that is smaller and looks more like a star trek phaser, but is supposedly equally effective. It's also a little cheaper .

Yah, the C2. I've seen one in a display case. It looks slightly bigger than the X26 to me in overall shape. Less than $400. And in fashion colors, too:

You could just slip it in a purse, no problemo...




DreQo wrote:

I wonder how many places there would be that your handgun would be prohibited but a Taser not. Since the Taserutilizes gas propelled projectiles, it probably fits into most legal definitions of a"firearm", wouldn't you agree?

There are some such places, I know. Haven't done a full investigation yet. This varies from state to state. Depends on how the laws were patched together throughout the years. I would not agree that a Taser is a "firearm," no. But various laws do categorize it as a weapon of some time, the carrry of whichmay be regulated in various ways.

I think a basic feature of most, not all, present laws regarding Tasers is that the LTL nature of the tools is recognized. So, generally, the regulation is less onerous than for firearms.

My primary purpose in getting one would be to carry it for PD and to educate/inform the gun carrying public...

 

[DreQo]

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I think a basic feature of most, not all, present laws regarding Tasers is that the LTL nature of the tools is recognized. So, generally, the regulation is less onerous than for firearms.

That would be nice if they recognized that.

I also noticed on the site that the LE and military models have a 30 foot range, while the "personal" models have a 15 foot range. Is this difference based on a current law, or perhaps just the idea that less than 15 feet is generally for self defense,andmore than 15feet is generally for apprehension?


Oh, and another question about stun guns vs. tasers. Along with causing a good amount of pain, ataser causes the muscles to relax and contract uncontrollably, rendering the person temporarily immobile. Does a stun gun do this as well, or does it simply cause the muscle to contract and therefore cause intense pain until it is released?

 

[tarzan1888]

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DreQo wrote:

All very good points, and I agree with you. The problem is, in some states (like here in NC), drawing your weapon when you're not in absolute immediate threat of life or limb is illegal. It's even stated that you cannot legally use a firearm to defend yourself from "simple battery"...whatever that means.....

Drawing a weapon is always the last resort.

It is important to always have situation awareness.

1. Don't intentionally go anywhere that might put you in a "bad" situation.

2. Don't let the words of others goat you into making a foolish statement or action. Be a duck and let their words run of your back like water off a duck.

3. Discretion is the better part of valor. Be like Joseph of old and if you find yourself in a bad situation, get yourself out of there. RUN

If the above fail, and you find yourself in a situation where you "fear for your life" or the life of someone else, then and only then pull your gun.



DreQo wrote:

.....It'd be easy to draw your weapon at anyone who looked like they were going to push you around..they'd definately stop. Of course that'd be similiar to bulldozing your house and rebuilding every time you find a cockroach...

It should NEVER be easy to draw your gun. Without fear for your life, or the life of another innocent personyou should never draw your gun. IF I ever draw mine, I will fire it until the threat is stopped, or I am dead, WECF.

If I am alive I will say, "I feared for my life and I stopped the threat. My lawyer will answer all other questions." and nothing more.

 

[HankT]

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++1, tarzan1888.

I think you got it all. Good advice.

Unfortunately, some people walk around wanting to neutralize threats, given half a chance. That's why, I think, states like NC pass those problematic laws.

 

[tarzan1888]

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HankT wrote:

++1, tarzan1888.

I think you got it all. Good advice.

Unfortunately, some people walk around wanting to neutralize threats, given half a chance. That's why, I think, states like NC pass those problematic laws.

HankT, we have bantered back and forth some, but, if the truth be known it has probably been more about semantics than reality.

I think we both see that we are not the police or "The Brave One" but people who are willing, when all else fails, to defend ourselves or others when and only when life is threatened, and there is no other choice.

I hate words like "Never" or "Always" because there are few absolutes in this world and each of us must ultimately depend on the safety between our ears to make the right choice, when circumstances demand it.

 

[tarzan1888]

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One of the problems, never mentioned, with "Less than Lethal" forms of self protection is the fact that they are perceived as "less than Lethal"

People who are a little on the "brainless" side, may think that sense it is not lethal (which is not always true) you can just whip it out and use it if things aren't going your way.

The following link shows just how easily it can be miss-used.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/4803.html

We need to use our brain people.:banghead:



Tarzan

 

[DreQo]

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Tarzan, good points. You kinda made it sound like I was promoting pulling your gun at the slightest incident though, which I wasn't. I was replying to YOUR earlier post, where you made the point that a gun is the ONLY LOGICAL WAY to defend yourself...

With a gun, (big enough to reach the CNS) if you hit the indicated area it will put them down. Remember that statistically 98% of the time the perp will run just seeing the gun, so the odds are in your favor immediately, and then for the other 2% ot the time you have multiple chances to use your weapon, where as with a spray or stun gun your are lucky to get one as they ave very close quarters weapons.

If you truly need to defend yourself, then a gun is the only logical way to go. The others my be "feel good" ways, but not good ways. :what:

You see here, you say that 98% of the time a perp runs at the sight of a gun (cite?), to which I responded that you can't just pull your gun every time someone gets in your face. There are times where a bad situation finds you, and you can't just run away (i.e. no where to run, physically can't run, or a child is with you and you can't just leave them behind). This is the kind of situation where its you vs. the other guy, so anything to turn the tide in your favor, like a stun gun or spray, is very useful. If you don't have that, then it's gonna be a fist fight...and I'm not about to bet my fightin' skillson the well being of the child in my care.

Off that subject, what is the difference between Less Than Lethal, and Less Lethal, or is there? I have heard the terms used interchangeably in the past, but I was also under the impression at one point that "Less Lethal" referred to things that could very well kill you, but were less likely than a bullet to do so...like bean bags from a shotgun or what have you.

 

[tarzan1888]

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DreQo wrote:

Tarzan..... You kinda made it sound like I was promoting pulling your gun at the slightest incident though, which I wasn't....

Nothing personal, I was using what you said to illustrate a point, I am sorry if you felt that, by taking it out of context, I was attacking you. I just wanted to make sure that those who are. "wanabees" got the message that pulling a gun is not something to take lightly.

 

[DreQo]

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Not out of line, it just seemed that the context and meanings of our statements were getting confused by eachother lol. No harm done