States that allow drinking while armed

[brolin_1911a1]

I've read that in Missouri it's a felony to be in possesion of a loaded gun while intoxicated. If I remember correctly that technically means if you pass out drunk in bed and have a loaded pistol in your nightstand, you're a felon.

At the moment, for another two-and-a-half weeks, you are correct. That was a result of some ill-considered language snuck into our state's CCW law in 2003 by an antigun legislator. It was corrected in this year's legislature and the new law, known as HB1692, will go into effect on Aug. 28. The entire bill can be found here, http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills101/biltxt/truly/HB1692T.HTM and the language in question changes the law to criminalize anyone who "[h]as a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense."

 

[Grapeshot]

At the moment, for another two-and-a-half weeks, you are correct. That was a result of some ill-considered language snuck into our state's CCW law in 2003 by an antigun legislator. It was corrected in this year's legislature and the new law, known as HB1692, will go into effect on Aug. 28. The entire bill can be found here, http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills101/biltxt/truly/HB1692T.HTM and the language in question changes the law to criminalize anyone who "[h]as a firearm or projectile weapon readily capable of lethal use on his or her person, while he or she is intoxicated, and handles or otherwise uses such firearm or projectile weapon in either a negligent or unlawful manner or discharges such firearm or projectile weapon unless acting in self-defense."

Covers this base well.

 

[Claytron]

once again...

Everyone ever busted for drunk driving in the entire history of alcohol and motorized vehicles has claimed that he "can handle his liquor" and "can drive better after eight drinks than most can sober." Unfortunately, that judgment is typically made while under the influence and is more than suspect.

I grew up with someone who made such claims. He was at fault in dozens of automobile accidents. (Of course, the other guy was always the "moron.") I, on the other hand, have been responsible for zero.

I think that I have the wiser outlook on alcohol than the person who made the above claims.

And once again your half of the arguement consists of you claiming you know better than someone else.

I dont recall "Hes wrong because im right" ever being an acceptable response to anything, ever.

Maybe its time to stop thinking you are better than others? I explained to you how my body accepts nicotine and what it does to my mind. You then turn around and say that it couldnt possibly affect me the way three drinks could, how could you possibly know? Once again, you like to believe you know everything about the situation.

I understand how it goes on these forums once youve spent way too much time here and invested too much into the way you present your self to strangers, it can be hard to accept when you are being foolish.

Enjoy puffing on your cigarettes before you holster up, knowing that the chemicals giving you that rush are oh so much safer than the ones giving everyone else their rush

Buh-bye Slick.

 

[Claytron]

Alright

Never accuse posters of saying something they have not, quote out of context or otherwise change the meaning of their statements - quick way of losing credibility here.

Doesnt it strike you as ironic that while accusing me of misquoting someone, you dont even give an example of what i accused him of saying? Thats a tad ignorant.

 

[Grapeshot]

Doesnt it strike you as ironic that while accusing me of misquoting someone, you dont even give an example of what i accused him of saying? Thats a tad ignorant.

I "accused" no one - it was a general admonition. Posters that stoop to personal remarks and/or distortion, rather than discussing the subject/facts are not well received here.

 

[Doug Huffman]

I recall such admonitions as, "If the foo fits then wear it." Heh heh heh.

One of the common problems with civility here is the common practice of taking general comments, comments made without address or salutation, as personal. An oooold element of netiquitte is to never address a correspondent personally in open forum but only in "private message". But then with the vast majority of users denying their humanity with noms-de-net like "Chevelle396SS", the thought of that entity as a person is -- remote. It is at best a poorly written Artificial Intelligence 'bot.

 

[eye95]

I "accused" no one - it was a general admonition. Posters that stoop to personal remarks and/or distortion, rather than discussing the subject/facts are not well received here.

You're right. They aren't.

 

[GLOCK21GB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6to8apr7TQ i thought this was fitting.

 

[Dreamer]

Maryland prohibits carrying a gun while "under the infuence." There is no definition of what that means--whether it's "intoxicated" or "any measurable alcohol at all"...

http://www.mcsm.org/mdlaw.html

Unless you're a cop...

http://ourtaxdollarsatwork.wordpres...re-current-off-duty-alley-execution-shooting/

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...1_police-officers-officer-shot-service-weapon

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2454696/posts

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2010/06/offduty_cops_with_guns_in_bars.html

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2010/06/police_update_shooting_outside.html

 

[KBCraig]

New Hampshire law is silent on the matter. No restrictions.

 

[Son_of_Perdition]

Washington state constitution rocks. If it is not specifically identified as illegal. It is legal.

 

[aadvark]

In my State, Georgia, it is perfectly Legal to drink Alcohol, and even be Drunk, with any Firearm, Loaded or not, in any place- Public or Private.
However, there is a State-wide Prohibition on the Discharge of a Firearm whilst Impaired to the same degree as what Georgia considers to be Drunk Driving-.08%.
It is notable, however, that in order to Carry a Firearm in a Bar, which is an Establishment that derives more than 50% of it's grand total Annual Revenue from the sell of Alcohol, you have to have a Georgia Weapons Carry License AND the permission of the Rightful Owner or Occupant of the Bar.
The applicable Georgia Codes are: 16-11-127(a)(1)/(b)(6) and 16-11-134(a)(4).

 

[heresyourdipstickjimmy]

Actually that law just changed. It just got signed last week, but I can't seem to remember the bill's number. It also gave black powder rights to felons.

Doc

That would be the latest Castle Doctrine changes and no, it DID NOT change the law regarding being in possession while intoxicated in the general sense. All it changed was being in possession in your home while intoxicated, in-line with self-defense under the Castle Doctrine. Step out into your yard in possession of a firearm while intoxicated and you could get arrested for a felony.

Again I'm seeing folks that don't have a clue and will get themselves arrested for following the advice of others without doing their own research.

The court case that intended to address this issue found the defendant guilty of possession while intoxicated inside his home. The aggravating circumstances were that the individual had threatened harm to himself and others on the line with 911 operators. Duh-huh moment to say the least! The court ruled that the municipalities and the State have the right to regulate such behaviors.

 

[heresyourdipstickjimmy]

Why is this even a topic? While I am not a teetotaller, the last thing the Open Carry community needs is people showing off their guns and drinking alcohol. If you carry (open or concealed) drink alcohol and end up in a shoot-out (which is why we carry - to be armed in case of armed attack), the police , the media and the courts will absolutely LOVE the fact that you were drinking before getting in a gunfight. They will play that up for all it's worth.

We want to be ambassadors for the legal use and right to handguns and the first thing we do is wonder where we can drink and carry. All freedoms start off with everybody enjoying them and then someone starts pushing the envelope. "Well, if I can have one beer and still carry...!" That becomes two, and three and then a shot or two or three, and then a joint or two or a bowl or two.......!

The only problem with freedom is the liberty to abuse it! And these posts prove how far and fast it can go that way. Ladies and gentlemen, if you are so damn certain that the carrying of a firearm for self-defense is so sacred and important, why are you willing to risk it for a beer? You should be protecting it as strongly as possibly, not finding out ways to destroy it from the inside. By bringing up this topic you are actually giving the anti-gunners the ammunition they need to push their agenda. They will take these very same posts and use them to outlaw everything you claim to hold dear.

Why is this a topic? Because there are idiotic people out there that think it's safe (sometimes even think it's a good idea) to drink and drive as well as drink and be in possession of a firearm. Let me be clear on this, if you are one of those folks that thinks the two go together, you are an IDIOT! The BATFE should come and take every firearm away from you and deny you all firearm transfers, public or private, for being caught doing something so foolish and dangerous.

Too many "hold my beer and watch this" moments occur when alcohol is involved, no matter the amount.

When that idiotic person pulls a firearm and violates the law, then gets shot by a sober person acting in self-defense I want all of you to think this phrase: It wasn't really a good idea now was it.

 

[PrayingForWar]

Why is this a topic? Because there are idiotic people out there that think it's safe (sometimes even think it's a good idea) to drink and drive as well as drink and be in possession of a firearm. Let me be clear on this, if you are one of those folks that thinks the two go together, you are an IDIOT! The BATFE should come and take every firearm away from you and deny you all firearm transfers, public or private, for being caught doing something so foolish and dangerous.

Too many "hold my beer and watch this" moments occur when alcohol is involved, no matter the amount.

When that idiotic person pulls a firearm and violates the law, then gets shot by a sober person acting in self-defense I want all of you to think this phrase: It wasn't really a good idea now was it.

I don't mind when idiots remove themselves from the genepool generally, but bullets tend to fly far and impact hard.

Anyway I'm reminded of a story I read about a couple of clowns who got drunk and decided to try shooting a dixie cup full of beer off of one of their heads with a .25 caliber Colt.

That ended just as you expect it would.

 

[Dreamer]

I don't mind when idiots remove themselves from the genepool generally, but bullets tend to fly far and impact hard.

Anyway I'm reminded of a story I read about a couple of clowns who got drunk and decided to try shooting a dixie cup full of beer off of one of their heads with a .25 caliber Colt.

That ended just as you expect it would.

Sometimes "dynamic Darwinism" can be a good thing...

 

[PrayingForWar]

Sometimes "dynamic Darwinism" can be a good thing...

I like to call it reversed evolution, since I don't take Darwin's Theory as a Scientific Law. If Darwin was right, stupid people would not be reproducing at rates that will soon overwhelm the ability of the productive classes to support them. That "Idiocracy" movie is almost prophetic.

Even GRAVITY is still called a "theory".

 

[Alexcabbie]

Common Sense Commonwealth

Here in Virginia, you MAY imbibe whilst armed ONLY if you are OPENLY carrying. Quite naturally bartenders and wait staff will keep a close eye on how much they serve an openly armed patron, if they serve him at all; and it is their call as to whether or not to serve any alcohol to anyone for any reason.

You MAY be present in an establishment that serves alcohol whilst carrying CONCEALED, BUT you MAY NOT imbibe in public whilst carrying concealed.

You MAY NOT carry a firearm in any manner onto the property or business of someone who has notified you that firearms are prohibited on his or her business or property.

Carrying a firearm in public whilst intoxicated is a criminal offense in Virginia, no matter the mode of carry.

Pretty much "common sense" - in the real sense, not the Brady sense. Makes sense to me.

 

[Grapeshot]

Here in Virginia, you MAY imbibe whilst armed ONLY if you are OPENLY carrying. Quite naturally bartenders and wait staff will keep a close eye on how much they serve an openly armed patron, if they serve him at all; and it is their call as to whether or not to serve any alcohol to anyone for any reason.

You MAY be present in an establishment that serves alcohol whilst carrying CONCEALED, BUT you MAY NOT imbibe in public whilst carrying concealed.

You MAY NOT carry a firearm in any manner onto the property or business of someone who has notified you that firearms are prohibited on his or her business or property.

Carrying a firearm in public whilst intoxicated is a criminal offense in Virginia, no matter the mode of carry.

Pretty much "common sense" - in the real sense, not the Brady sense. Makes sense to me.

You [strike]MAY NOT[/strike] should not carry a firearm in any manner onto the property or business of someone who has notified you that firearms are prohibited on his or her business or property.

Until asked to leave, no law has been broken - even then the charge is not a firearms violation, but that of trespassing.