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[protector84]

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Again, I certainly don't want to shoot someone if I can help it. I also don't like confrontations with people because you never know who you are dealing with. Additionally, the fact that I even need to confront someone in the first place tells me that such person already has poor mental health or he wouldn't be acting out of line to begin with. I am a generally polite person and it is a shame that so many people aren't that way. The problem is that you often have to confront these people. Arizona is a "stuck on stupid" culture in many ways. Every single day, there is someone just sitting at a stop sign or green light and not moving. I am not in a hurry but I don't have all day either. I have no problem honking at the person to get moving. That doesn't mean I'm going to ride up beside them later and look at them in a threatening manner or give them the finger. I don't believe in unnecessary confrontations. Likewise, daily in line at a store you have someone standing ten feet back from the counter not paying attention or some fat person is blocking the isle and not even in line. I have plenty of patience but it doesn't mean wastingmy whole day. I don't have a problem politely asking the person "Are you in line?...Can you please move forward?" or in the second case, "Sir, can I please get by?" It is not uncommon in this "stuck on stupid" culture for the person I'm confronting to be so zoned out that I have to say "excuse me" a second, third, and even fourth time and they still cannot hear me. Then you have to physically but carefully push by them and then risk them blowing up at you.

Could you imagine in Manhattan people just sitting and standing around with nothing to do? Or in L.A. for that matter? No need to get side tracked on a cultural comparison. The point is that as much as you try to avoid confrontation the high percentage of idiots out there often requires at least some level of a confrontation and naturally the more confrontations you get in, the chances of a defensive situation occuring also goes up.

It is a catch-22 I have dealt with for a long time. If you are carrying a gun, you need to be polite but at the same time people do occasionally need to be told. You walk a fine line everyday here it seems.

 

[Alwayspacking]

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Yep you are right... we do have to walk a fine line. for the reason you brought up about people just over reacting when youdo something like honk at them. Every time one does something as simple as that it could lead to a fight. I just remember I saw it happen once on a exit. guy in truck honks at a guy in front of him because everyone was moving about 50 feet ahead. and then the guy jumps out of his car and throws his hands up. I mean WHY!!! the guy in the truck just sat in his car. I think the man in the truck would have wiped they guy across the street face first. It's people like that with a short fuse that makes me carry

 

[protector84]

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The basic psychology behind it all that I have noticed is that the normal mentally-sound people are not the ones you even have to confront in the first place. They are already aware of their actions in public and don't do something to cause someone to say something in the first place. The reason these people get mad is because deep down they know that they were wrong in the first place and it hurt their ego. That is why it is a catch-22 because the ones you have to confront and potentially lead to defensive situation are the ones who are messed up in the first place because if they weren't messed up to begin with, you wouldn't have to confront them. The scary part is when the percentage of delinquents, idiots, troublemakers, and mental cases start to outweigh the percentage of reasonably decent normal people.

 

[Jim675]

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Protector, is it possible that your "delinquents, idiots, troublemakers, and mental cases" simply have a different cultural viewpoint on life and the pace at which one needs to go about things?
You speak of New York / New England vs AZ. I suspect that most Western (Southern and rural) folks would say the NE'ers are incredibly rude and pushy.
When in Rome?

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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Protector must live somewhere in or around Phoenix... 'cause it ain't that way down here for the most part. Then again... I don't live in or near any 'city'. (on purpose)

 

[Virginian683]

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Alec411 wrote:

ORYGUNNER:

PerhapsI should have responded to your inquiry privately, but I really would like all to receive the message. Ory, I was for a very long time s sniper in S.E. Asia. I rarely say Nam because most of my assigned kills were in Laos and Cambodia, at a time that Congress had forbidden a ground presence there. I enlisted in the USMC, but soon found myself qualified for special training/assignments while on TDY with an entity with stars carved into the wall above the receptionist in Virginia. During that time a number of long range and CQB killswere necessary, each documented. After military service my partner and I attended college & were recruited to works for a large gov't Department. We spent over 30 years together on the streets as GS-1811's, TDY's were also a fact of life then. My partner and I worked in many covert FO's, until his assassination (5, .357 Mag in back at home) There were obviously conflicts that involved the loss of lives, but I am still here....

I'm a Bondurant Grad, if a car does a quickie u-turn behind me, I am prepared(not necessarily going ) to spin a 180, and spray his windshield with 40 rds

I agree with the vast differance between the southwest and the northeast, and I've worked in both places as a FLEO. A gang Banager tries to stare me down & he's in tears b/4 I finish my verbal response. I had a confront at a 7/11 type place in Newark. When I came out four guys were having a fight, which was ok, but they were bouncin' each other off of Uncle Sam's car. After dropping three without display a gun, they lined up, like Wave Two was about to start, at that point (disparity) I pulled a 1911 and let it hang at my side, and said,"Okay guys, now this next pass is gonna be a MF"....dey gone!

Etc., etc.....

Hey Alec,

First off, thanks for relating all your experiences. But more importantly, although I can't be sure, I think we might have met before.

Here's what happened. I was coming out of a Wal-mart one day, just walking to my car with my groceries, and all of a sudden I see I guy walking with ski mask and an M16 rifle and what looks like a drum magazine. Then he starts shooting, fully automatic. I was thinking "oh my god, I just can't believe I am actually here when one of these nut cases loses it."

Although I was carrying concealed and am a former papal swiss guard, papal protective detail (I'm not Swiss, but the CIA faked my birth records so I could get in...long story) I wasn't about to confront this guy with only a handgun. I took cover behind my vehicle (sucky cover, I know) distraught over what I should do when all of a sudden some dude parachuted in out of nowhere with nightvision and an MP5 and landed almost on top of the guy. At that point I am not sure what happened, but that MP5 must have jammed, because you threw it down and mean while this guy has turned toward you and is just unloading that drum like Rosie O'Donnell cleans out an extra-large fry. At that point, walking through a solid wall of fully automatic fire, you closed what must have seemed like an mile-long 10 feet of distance, grabed the M16 out of the guy's hand and personally beat him to death with it.

To this day I don't really know where that second guy came from, but I'm figuring it must have been you, because I don't know anyone else who has had the benefit of such multi-faceted experience, to have been trained into such a finely tuned killing machine as you have. Given all the work I myself did for "the company" (and even sometimes, that "other company" over there where I got to know I guy in Leipzig, now a top dog over there, I used to affectionately call "Vlad the Impaler" -- though only half-jokingly ) -- given that, I think my comment means a lot.

But anyway I just wanna take this opportunity on behalf of myself and everyone else who had the misforture to be there that day, to thank you for your couragous action as well as the multitude of service you have done around the world. You undoubtedly saved many lives.

I am holding out hope that when you turn 18 and graduate from high school (that is if you haven't already dropped out to play Counterstrike) you will also have learned an approximation of correct English.

And once again to everyone, I really appreciate all the true tales of self defense.

 

[MetalChris]

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Virginian683 wrote:

Alec411 wrote:

ORYGUNNER:

PerhapsI should have responded to your inquiry privately, but I really would like all to receive the message. Ory, I was for a very long time s sniper in S.E. Asia. I rarely say Nam because most of my assigned kills were in Laos and Cambodia, at a time that Congress had forbidden a ground presence there. I enlisted in the USMC, but soon found myself qualified for special training/assignments while on TDY with an entity with stars carved into the wall above the receptionist in Virginia. During that time a number of long range and CQB killswere necessary, each documented. After military service my partner and I attended college & were recruited to works for a large gov't Department. We spent over 30 years together on the streets as GS-1811's, TDY's were also a fact of life then. My partner and I worked in many covert FO's, until his assassination (5, .357 Mag in back at home) There were obviously conflicts that involved the loss of lives, but I am still here....

I'm a Bondurant Grad, if a car does a quickie u-turn behind me, I am prepared(not necessarily going ) to spin a 180, and spray his windshield with 40 rds

I agree with the vast differance between the southwest and the northeast, and I've worked in both places as a FLEO. A gang Banager tries to stare me down & he's in tears b/4 I finish my verbal response. I had a confront at a 7/11 type place in Newark. When I came out four guys were having a fight, which was ok, but they were bouncin' each other off of Uncle Sam's car. After dropping three without display a gun, they lined up, like Wave Two was about to start, at that point (disparity) I pulled a 1911 and let it hang at my side, and said,"Okay guys, now this next pass is gonna be a MF"....dey gone!

Etc., etc.....

Hey Alec,

First off, thanks for relating all your experiences. But more importantly, although I can't be sure, I think we might have met before.

Here's what happened. I was coming out of a Wal-mart one day, just walking to my car with my groceries, and all of a sudden I see I guy walking with ski mask and an M16 rifle and what looks like a drum magazine. Then he starts shooting, fully automatic. I was thinking "oh my god, I just can't believe I am actually here when one of these nut cases loses it."

Although I was carrying concealed and am a former papal swiss guard, papal protective detail (I'm not Swiss, but the CIA faked my birth records so I could get in...long story) I wasn't about to confront this guy with only a handgun. I took cover behind my vehicle (sucky cover, I know) distraught over what I should do when all of a sudden some dude parachuted in out of nowhere with nightvision and an MP5 and landed almost on top of the guy. At that point I am not sure what happened, but that MP5 must have jammed, because you threw it down and mean while this guy has turned toward you and is just unloading that drum like Rosie O'Donnell cleans out an extra-large fry. At that point, walking through a solid wall of fully automatic fire, you closed what must have seemed like an mile-long 10 feet of distance, grabed the M16 out of the guy's hand and personally beat him to death with it.

To this day I don't really know where that second guy came from, but I'm figuring it must have been you, because I don't know anyone else who has had the benefit of such multi-faceted experience, to have been trained into such a finely tuned killing machine as you have. Given all the work I myself did for "the company" (and even sometimes, that "other company" over there where I got to know I guy in Leipzig, now a top dog over there, I used to affectionately call "Vlad the Impaler" -- though only half-jokingly ) -- given that, I think my comment means a lot.

But anyway I just wanna take this opportunity on behalf of myself and everyone else who had the misforture to be there that day, to thank you for your couragous action as well as the multitude of service you have done around the world. You undoubtedly saved many lives.

I am holding out hope that when you turn 18 and graduate from high school (that is if you haven't already dropped out to play Counterstrike) you will also have learned an approximation of correct English.

And once again to everyone, I really appreciate all the true tales of self defense.

Priceless!

 

[Comp-tech]

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MetalChris wrote:

Priceless!

+100

Virginian683....you owe me a keyboard...I blew tea through my nose on the "Counterstrike" line...

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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'Had to clean the coffee off my monitor... Ummmph! Ouch!

 

[RIAShooter]

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I just peed a little


but if he really was a GS-1811 I'm gonna miss you Virginia

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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:shock:RIAShooter wrote:

I just peed a little


but if he really was a GS-1811 I'm gonna miss you Virginia

:uhoh:

 

[Virginian683]

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RIAShooter wrote:

I just peed a little


but if he really was a GS-1811 I'm gonna miss you Virginia

lol. Well I kinda of regret it now that I made the "graduate from high school" comment, that was maybe a little too harsh, but you have to understand why I reacted the way I did. When I see somebody acting like he is "the sh*t" AND at the same time insists upon using extra large, boldface, and colored fonts -- it just doesn't seem right to me. I think guys who were really "operators" (I believe that is the right term) and did stuff like he claims, are a totally different type -- they are pretty modest, and don't go around bragging about their experience, because they don't feel the need to. But maybe I'm wrong. They also may not be allowed to talk about it. Has the CIA authorized him to disclose that he made hits in SE Asia that were illegal under federal law? (Maybe he was telling the truth and they already took him out.)

I also don't believe his first story about the guy with the machete outside 7-eleven. Although I guess it could have happened, the part that really busted it for me is where the mother just allows him to throw her son out of the car 5 miles from home. I don't believe that. I mean there are (sadly) plenty of parents who would do that to their own kids, but I think even parents who abuse their children will ussually be very protective if somebody else tries it.

Sorry if I went over the top, but if I smell BS for some reason it just irritates me like nothing else. If Alec really did all that then I apologize.

 

[Virginian683]

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RIAShooter wrote:

I just peed a little


but if he really was a GS-1811 I'm gonna miss you Virginia

lol. Well I kinda of regret it now that I made the "graduate from high school" comment, that was maybe a little too harsh, but you have to understand why I reacted the way I did. When I see somebody acting like he is "the sh*t" AND at the same time insists upon using extra large, boldface, and colored fonts -- it just doesn't seem right to me. I think guys who were really "operators" (I believe that is the right term) and did stuff like he claims, are a totally different type -- they are pretty modest, and don't go around bragging about their experience, because they don't feel the need to. But maybe I'm wrong. They also may not be allowed to talk about it. Has the CIA authorized him to disclose that he made hits in SE Asia that were illegal under federal law? (Maybe he was telling the truth and they already took him out.)

I also don't believe his first story about the guy with the machete outside 7-eleven. Although I guess it could have happened, the part that really busted it for me is where the mother just allows him to throw her son out of the car 5 miles from home. I don't believe that. I mean there are (sadly) plenty of parents who would do that to their own kids, but I think even parents who abuse their children will ussually be very protective if somebody else tries it.

Sorry if I went over the top, but if I smell BS for some reason it just irritates me like nothing else. If Alec really did all that then I apologize.

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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An 'operator' (the correct term) ... will never discuss... or divulge that he/she'was' (not 'is') until long after the event... and the event has been declassified by OADR. (Originating Agency's Determination Required)

I've known some... a long time ago in a land far away.

 

[MetalChris]

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Virginian683 wrote:

I think guys who were really "operators" (I believe that is the right term) and did stuff like he claims, are a totally different type -- they are pretty modest, and don't go around bragging about their experience, because they don't feel the need to.

Clearly you've never heard of Gecko45, the greatest operator to ever live.

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