Selah, WA man shot and killed by Police

[amlevin]

I think cyclic is just a quicker way of saying at rapid rates for long duration.

That's the thing with vocabulary once you learn a word it's hard not to use it.

As for "cyclic" in itself it's meaningless. I have a bolt action rifle that has a cyclic rate of 10 rounds per minute. I also have a semi-automatic rifle that has a cyclic rate of over 700 rounds per minute of I could load it fast enough. The word "cyclic" doesn't mean rapid rate or slow rate, its merely an adjective like "Miles Per Hour" or "Feet Per Second" that need the other part to make it work.

It would be like saying that "they hit him with feet per second".

FWIW, a cyclic is also the name for that stick a helicopter pilot uses to move the bird left, right, forward, or back. Did they hit "him" with THAT stick?

 

[sudden valley gunner]

As for "cyclic" in itself it's meaningless. I have a bolt action rifle that has a cyclic rate of 10 rounds per minute. I also have a semi-automatic rifle that has a cyclic rate of over 700 rounds per minute of I could load it fast enough. The word "cyclic" doesn't mean rapid rate or slow rate, its merely an adjective like "Miles Per Hour" or "Feet Per Second" that need the other part to make it work.

It would be like saying that "they hit him with feet per second".

FWIW, a cyclic is also the name for that stick a helicopter pilot uses to move the bird left, right, forward, or back. Did they hit "him" with THAT stick?

I think that was Citizens point and he can correct me if I am wrong but that they unloaded their weapons as fast as they could.

I bet the would hit him with that if they had it in their hand. Just don't shine flashlights at their helicopters when they are hovering over your property.

 

[amlevin]

Just don't shine flashlights at their helicopters when they are hovering over your property.

Was that you?

 

[Metalhead47]

I don't feel SWAT is necessary and feel their tactics are dangerous and am very anti-militarizing any police force. No knock warrants is just asking for trouble.

And there are many more unfortunate stories similar to what you mentioned.

It's troubling to to see U.S. citizens treated as enemy combatants.

Caught this blurb on tv yesterday, think it was a COPS type show about swat... Shows the n00b being issued all his tacticool gear... $36,000 worth! M4-ish SBR, body armor, BARRETT 50 CAL! Now why does a "grunt" swat rookie need a frigging 50 cal rifle for? Implies they ALL Get a similar isssue. Think this was socal.


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[Citizen]

Cyclic? Is that a new "Secret Weapon"? How does one get hit by an Adjective. I would have thought that they would have preferred using a noun.

Not bad though. A 15 point Scrabble Word Score. Bullet would only be 8 points.

OK, you got a point there.

Lets just say that's my accidental new word for full-auto.

 

[maclean]

Caught this blurb on tv yesterday, think it was a COPS type show about swat... Shows the n00b being issued all his tacticool gear... $36,000 worth! M4-ish SBR, body armor, BARRETT 50 CAL! Now why does a "grunt" swat rookie need a frigging 50 cal rifle for? Implies they ALL Get a similar isssue. Think this was socal.


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A Barrett for a new SWAT guy?

Ouch.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Was that you?

No but I don't blame the guy, seems the gov. found a new way of violating your property rights by simply not putting feet on the ground. (actually not new, used to have fun watching the "green harvest" do it in Hawaii.) The farmers and folks who live on the U.S. Canadian border are getting very frustrated and irritated at this intrusion into their lives.

"green harvest" =DEA

 

[amlevin]

A Barrett for a new SWAT guy?

Ouch.

Especially for an Urban SWAT team. What do they expect, a tank? Or do they figure they might have to make a really long shot, like a mile or so. Interesting that they'd have a Barrett when according to most of the SWAT Officers I talk to at the range tell me that the national average for a sniper shot is between 50 and 75 Yards. Basically a distance of "across the street".

When can we expect to see AT-4's to go along with the Barretts?

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I thought Barrett is refusing to sell to California LEA's?

 

[amlevin]

I thought Barrett is refusing to sell to California LEA's?

Doesn't stop a distributor or other Gun Dealer. Ronnie just won't sell direct.

One of the largest PD suppliers is just to the north of you and from what I hear they sell to PD's everywhere.

Barrett also offers the .416 which is actually a better performer than the .50 for sale in Kalifornia. Kind of an "in your face" move over the 50 cal ban.

 

[Metalhead47]

Especially for an Urban SWAT team. What do they expect, a tank? Or do they figure they might have to make a really long shot, like a mile or so. Interesting that they'd have a Barrett when according to most of the SWAT Officers I talk to at the range tell me that the national average for a sniper shot is between 50 and 75 Yards. Basically a distance of "across the street".

When can we expect to see AT-4's to go along with the Barretts?

And if the rookie has one.... that means EVERYONE has one... :banghead:

I can see the "justification" for a SWAT team to some extent (remember the Northridge bank robbery?)... even such a team having a 50 cal available... but every single member down to the newest rookie being issued one??? That's freakin ridiculous. Eliminate the unconstitutional drug laws, and gun laws, and that eliminate 95% of SWAT's "missions." Maybe a smaller "on-call" volunteer team of patrol officers with extra training.

 

[amlevin]

I can see the "justification" for a SWAT team to some extent (remember the Northridge bank robbery?)...

If you read the entire report on this robbery, the Police were woefully underarmed with only sidearms and shotguns. Once they received a couple of AR-15's and were able level out the firepower, it was game over.

A good .308 with "barrier" rated ammo can do a very adequate job. This is pretty much a standard issue rifle for SWAT Teams around the country. The ability to "put one in the ear" is all that is needed. Just remember, the 50 caliber started it's long life as an Anti-Tank weapon. Anyone want to talk about the possibility of "over-penetration" in an urban environment. A 50 isn't needed on any police force, this ain't Baghdad.

 

[xxx.jakk.xxx]

I know it doesn't change the fact that they get a 50 cal, but they may not get the Barrett

Barrett 82A1
$8,900-$11,700
http://www.armalite.com/Categories.aspx?Category=0406c9ff-539d-4b4c-ae1f-d045b91324c3
Armalite AR-50A1
$3,359-$4,230
http://www.barrett.net/pdfs/Price-List.pdf


So it may not be quite as much money spent. Also, it may be issued for the same reason why we all carry, Just in Case. It's much better to have it and not need it than not have it and need it. I know I'd prefer having a .50cal rather than not having one, I just don't have the funds of a SWAT team. Lol


**Nevermind, I didn't see he actually mentioned Barrett...

 

[marshaul]

And some seem to go out of their way to use them. The "fancier" the better.

Not really. I tend to use whatever comes to mind.

The only "going out of my way" I do is in pursuit of precision in language. That may result in less-common usage from time to time, but who uses a less-precise word when they already know a better one?

Then again, I'm not one of the folks you were talking about.

 

[marshaul]

As for "cyclic" in itself it's meaningless. I have a bolt action rifle that has a cyclic rate of 10 rounds per minute. I also have a semi-automatic rifle that has a cyclic rate of over 700 rounds per minute of I could load it fast enough. The word "cyclic" doesn't mean rapid rate or slow rate, its merely an adjective like "Miles Per Hour" or "Feet Per Second" that need the other part to make it work.

It would be like saying that "they hit him with feet per second".

FWIW, a cyclic is also the name for that stick a helicopter pilot uses to move the bird left, right, forward, or back. Did they hit "him" with THAT stick?

If someone was driving their motorcycle at 100mph, lost control and died, and then someone said "it is the miles per hour which killed him", everybody would know exactly what he meant and there wouldn't be any discussion about the merits of such usage.

Same difference.

 

[Citizen]

SNIP this ain't Baghdad.

No, but the government is working on it.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Not really. I tend to use whatever comes to mind.

The only "going out of my way" I do is in pursuit of precision in language. That may result in less-common usage from time to time, but who uses a less-precise word when they already know a better one?

Then again, I'm not one of the folks you were talking about.

Exactly! That was my point earlier I am in no way "educated" other than self education and trying to be open minded. But once you know a word that fits perfectly it is almost impossible not to use it. I can almost guarantee now that I know what tautology is I'll use it. I used to use "circular argument, or reasoning" but that doesn't quite describe it as well as one word.

No, but the government is working on it.

They sure are aren't they.