Preemption 2010

[Broondog]

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Shawn wrote:

Broondog wrote:

Rep Munzlinger just responded to the email i sent him and stated, and i quote...

"At this point I would encourage amending on another bill."

i admit i'm not the sharpest when it comes to the legislative process, so how would we accomplish this?

Lets say one of the bills that passed Munzlingers committee already, like the one to lower age to 21 for ccw,they would add the language of hb2150 as a rider or attachment and it would get a vote to allow it on the bill or not. If allowed, then it would become part of the bill and be sent to the senate. Who, could take it out, pass the original bill and send it back to the house.

Broondog..your doing a great job on this bill!!

http://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills101/rules/rules.pdf

We are getting screwed here and I think Munz might be right, but we still have time for a stand alone bill, just not a lot of it.

ok so as Chair of Agri-Business can Munzlinger add the rider to a bill or do we need to get with the sponsor or co-sponsor of a particular bill?

going over the bills in Agri-Business there are a couple that might fit the 'bill' (pun intended ) such as HB1669 or HB1787. if we are going to toss in our two cents on adding a rider i suppose we should all be tossing those pennies at the same bill.

BTW, thanks for compliment though i'm just doing my part as an active citizen.


EDIT - i just emailed Munzlinger to suggest the possibility of adding the amendment to either one of the previously mentioned bills. i also told him that if citizen support is needed that i could drum some up.

i'll for sure let y'all know what he says.

 

[9026543]

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Is speaker Richard anti second amendment for the citizens of MO or does he owe a favor to someone who is? Or I wonder what his holdup is on assigning HB2150 to the Agri committee?

 

[brolin_1911a1]

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Broondog wrote:

ok so as Chair of Agri-Business can Munzlinger add the rider to a bill or do we need to get with the sponsor or co-sponsor of a particular bill?

Don't forget that Rep. Munzlinger is listed as one of the co-sponsors of HB2150.

 

[Broondog]

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9026543 wrote:

Is speaker Richard anti second amendment for the citizens of MO or does he owe a favor to someone who is? Or I wonder what his holdup is on assigning HB2150 to the Agri committee?

he doesn't appear to be anti. here are a couple of the bills he has been involved with in the past.

HCR45
Opposes any federal infringement on citizens' right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution HCR45 -- (LR# 2456L.01I)
Rules - Reported Do Pass (H)

HB1975
Increases from three years to six years the period of time a concealed carry endorsement is valid HB1975 -- (LR# 4523L.01I)
SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON GENERAL LAWS
Voted Do Pass (H)

 

[mspgunner]

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Broondog wrote:

9026543 wrote:

Is speaker Richard anti second amendment for the citizens of MO or does he owe a favor to someone who is? Or I wonder what his holdup is on assigning HB2150 to the Agri committee?

he doesn't appear to be anti. here are a couple of the bills he has been involved with in the past.

HCR45
Opposes any federal infringement on citizens' right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution HCR45 -- (LR# 2456L.01I)
Rules - Reported Do Pass (H)

HB1975
Increases from three years to six years the period of time a concealed carry endorsement is valid HB1975 -- (LR# 4523L.01I)
SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON GENERAL LAWS
Voted Do Pass (H)



I have it on good authority 2150 is dead this year. The speaker will not assign it to a commitee.... Just letting it die. I have contacted many House members an a couple in the Senate, it will come back next year. We need to remind them to pre-file it in December and get onthem about moving it along without delay!

 

[Broondog]

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ok well, this is just in from Rep Munzlinger.......


1787 was perfected this week in the House. Maybe they could put it on 1787 in the Senate. 1669 was put into 1787 in committee and is in the substitute. Right now the best bet is in the Senate.

Sincerely,
Brian Munzlinger


i'll hit up Senator Engler as soon as i can and see what he has to say about getting the language of HB2150 stuck onto a Senate bill that is moving along. maybe it will work, maybe not, but i'm not going to give up on this quite yet.

 

[deepdiver]

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I'll hit up Senator Crowell. He's pretty reliable on 2A issues overall however, I'm not sure that explicitly making a case for OC is going to be helpful. He did respond favorably last year to preemption but I didn't approach it via OC. I know that certain local people who are OC opposed reportedly have his ear. Preemption as a protection for law abiding citizens against accidentally violating an unknown local ordinance led to positive responses for me whereas any foray into OC territory even obliquely seemed unhelpful.

 

[Freedom 1st]

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New to the board, but been watching and reading for a while.

If there is anything I or possibly some other likeminded people I know can do, phone calls, e-mails, ect. Just let me know who to contact. I have been watching the post with interest and hope that hr2510 would get through and be passed.

I can tell you guys are alot smarter than I, about what it's going to take. So just point me in right direction. I'd be glad to do my part.

 

[Broondog]

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deepdiver wrote:

I'll hit up Senator Crowell. He's pretty reliable on 2A issues overall however, I'm not sure that explicitly making a case for OC is going to be helpful. He did respond favorably last year to preemption but I didn't approach it via OC. I know that certain local people who are OC opposed reportedly have his ear. Preemption as a protection for law abiding citizens against accidentally violating an unknown local ordinance led to positive responses for me whereas any foray into OC territory even obliquely seemed unhelpful.

oh for sure. i wouldn't even dream of billing it as an OC issue. in all my contacts, even with the sponsors of the House bill, i always i have focused on the uniformity (or lack thereof) of firearms laws in the state. i totally agree that even bringing up the OC issue will get ANY legislation of this sort shot down in flames.

Engler is good to go on 2A as well. too bad neither one of our guys is on Judiciary and Civil and Criminal Jurisprudence. SB1005 has been in there for almost a month and could be added to. adding language such as HB2150 to it could fix a few things all at once, though i'm not sure about the antique firearm clause.

 

[Broondog]

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Freedom 1st wrote:

New to the board, but been watching and reading for a while.

If there is anything I or possibly some other likeminded people I know can do, phone calls, e-mails, ect. Just let me know who to contact. I have been watching the post with interest and hope that hr2510 would get through and be passed.

I can tell you guys are alot smarter than I, about what it's going to take. So just point me in right direction. I'd be glad to do my part.

welcome to OCDO Freedom_1st!

hey man, i'm not exactly the brightest candle on the cake either but i am persistent when i know what i'm shooting for.

the new train of thought is to get the language of HB2150 added to a current bill in the Senate. contacting your Senator in support of this idea would be a great start and a great help. just remember to bill the idea as making Missouri firearm laws uniform, and not as an OC issue. if they can BS us, we can BS them as well.

i hope you already know who your Senator is but if not here is a link to the MO Senate homepage where you can look him/her up.

http://www.senate.mo.gov/

every little bit helps. glad to have you in the fight.

 

[Freedom 1st]

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Hey thanks,glad to be here. I could go talk to him personally. His name is Frank Barnitz and he lives about four miles up the road. He's dem, buthe bills himselfpro gun ,and he's a pretty decent guy.

The trick would be to pass it off as just wishing the law to be uniform so that if I inadvertantly flashed weapon while concealed carrying,...I wouldn,t necessarilybe breaking any local laws against open carry.

How does that sound?

I think I might re think that. Might be better to call firstand talk to himabout it. Kinda feel him out make sure he's not dead set against it. Don't think he possibly would , be but you can never tell. And if he even sounds half way supportive, I could load up myself, and few friends go express our support of the measure. Thanks for the info.

 

[mspgunner]

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It is important to tellyour State Reps and Senators to help get these bill through! Also if you have never looked at www.missouricarry.com you'll want to subscribe! Many here also subscribe there and are very involved and supportive of 2nd amendment causes, VERY SUPPORTIVE!

 

[Griz]

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Broondog wrote:

oh for sure. i wouldn't even dream of billing it as an OC issue. in all my contacts, even with the sponsors of the House bill, i always i have focused on the uniformity (or lack thereof) of firearms laws in the state. i totally agree that even bringing up the OC issue will get ANY legislation of this sort shot down in flames.

I agree with your statements and have drafted my correspondence similarly. Open carry wasn't mentioned. However, my reply from Belinda Harris was focused upon the open carry aspect of the bill. She brought it up it twice in her letter.

In all actuality, they know why we want this.

 

[mspgunner]

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Griz wrote:

Broondog wrote:

oh for sure. i wouldn't even dream of billing it as an OC issue. in all my contacts, even with the sponsors of the House bill, i always i have focused on the uniformity (or lack thereof) of firearms laws in the state. i totally agree that even bringing up the OC issue will get ANY legislation of this sort shot down in flames.

I agree with your statements and have drafted my correspondence similarly. Open carry wasn't mentioned. However, my reply from Belinda Harris was focused upon the open carry aspect of the bill. She brought it up it twice in her letter.

In all actuality, they know why we want this.

Good point, shooting the whole thibg down, but it sure would be nice!

 

[Mo]

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Freedom 1st wrote:

The trick would be to pass it off as just wishing the law to be uniform so that if I inadvertantly flashed weapon while concealed carrying,...I wouldn,t necessarilybe breaking any local laws against open carry.

I agree. That's one of the reasons I support OC.It would be nice to be able to removethe jacket without any worries when its too warm. Or if a gust of windhits your overgarment and exposes the weapon, no big deal.

And I hope if this bill gets to the governor, he won'tveto it. If he does, I hope it getsoverridden.

 

[9026543]

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HB2150 has not been assigned to a committee yet nor is it going to be. For whatever reason Rep Richard is going to sit on this bill until the session is over with. You might as well piss into the wind as far as the NRA helping.

 

[dkangel]

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Well I emailed Richard today requesting he assign it tocommittee and gave him my phone number. It likely won't help but I figure every little bit counts.

 

[dkangel]

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I also became a fan on facebook and posted the request there. Maybe if enough people post on facebook it will make a difference.



http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ron-Richard/116836947930?v=wall&viewas=1192031071

 

[dkangel]

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And in the event you want to bypass the house email:



ronrichard300@att.net

 

[mspgunner]

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Next year for the OC bill, unless it gets attached to a senate bill, doubtful, it is dead for this year.

I'm getting support from House and Senate members to get it in early next year with a companion bill for both houses.