Off/On Duty police officer entitlement to privacy.

[sudden valley gunner]

I think you should read it again. Since they pull you aside with the pretense of creating privacy, it is valid. Also, since you agree, the detainment is legal per your consent.

If the whole purpose of the action is for creating privacy, it is impossible to argue a lack of a reasonable expectation of it. I've heard many a judge say it, and read thousands more.

It happens with such frequency that citations of it could fill the hard drive of this server.

But as a public servant acting in their public duties, it would not be private. You are right that they try this they tried it with me , didn't work.

 

[Brimstone Baritone]

As I said, where I reside, if I decide it is not to be private it is not private. It is a one party consent case. Period.

+1. If it gets to the point that the officer wants to take me aside to 'talk privately', I most certainly and vehemently consent to recording the conversation. He's probably recording too, so what's the difference.

Going back to the question, I am a firm believer that the private lives of LEOs remain private. I'd be the first one to call out one of those 'well meaning' citizens that posts personal information about officers and their families for criminals to see. I think that's why most off-duty cops don't OC. The last thing an off-duty cop wants to be 'mistaken' for is a cop.

 

[OldCurlyWolf]

Going back to the question, I am a firm believer that the private lives of LEOs remain private. I'd be the first one to call out one of those 'well meaning' citizens that posts personal information about officers and their families for criminals to see. I think that's why most off-duty cops don't OC. The last thing an off-duty cop wants to be 'mistaken' for is a cop.

AMEN! People that post that personal information deserve things to happen to them that I will not enumerate.

 

[zack991]

+1. If it gets to the point that the officer wants to take me aside to 'talk privately', i most certainly and vehemently consent to recording the conversation. He's probably recording too, so what's the difference.

Going back to the question, i am a firm believer that the private lives of leos remain private. I'd be the first one to call out one of those 'well meaning' citizens that posts personal information about officers and their families for criminals to see. I think that's why most off-duty cops don't oc. The last thing an off-duty cop wants to be 'mistaken' for is a cop.

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[eye95]

LEOs get no more or no less privacy as I get outside my home.

They get less. Sunshine on their official actions is not just allowable; it is expected.

 

[Citizen]

They get less. Sunshine on their official actions is not just allowable; it is expected.

+1

And that just assumes they are behaving properly.

This stuff just boils down to whether courts are going to protect bad or misbehaving cops.

 

[MK]

In my opinion, attaching a GPS tracking device to someone's vehicle without a warrant should be considered as the crime of tampering with a motor vehicle. Its extremely bothering to me to know that this is allowed.

I wonder what would be used as the arguements against any non law enforcement citizen who wishes to attach the same to police vehicles and track their whereabouts or if this is perfectly legal as well? Maybe we should attach them to judges cars, prosecutors and elected officials as well? Anyone think that would fly?

 

[Tomas]

In my opinion, attaching a GPS tracking device to someone's vehicle without a warrant should be considered as the crime of tampering with a motor vehicle. Its extremely bothering to me to know that this is allowed.

Actually If someone attaches something to my car like that, I'll consider it a gift. Being an EE and electronics hobbyist, it would be fun taking one of those apart... :lol:

 

[AbNo]

Actually If someone attaches something to my car like that, I'll consider it a gift. Being an EE and electronics hobbyist, it would be fun taking one of those apart... :lol:

Oh god, I know!

 

[Citizen]

Actually If someone attaches something to my car like that, I'll consider it a gift. Being an EE and electronics hobbyist, it would be fun taking one of those apart... :lol:

I'm thinking the best thing to do would be drive to the nearest donut shop and attach their little GPS gizmo onto one of their own police cars. Let 'em track one of their own cars for a while. "Hey! Why's he driving to 12th Precinct?"

 

[TechnoWeenie]

Actually If someone attaches something to my car like that, I'll consider it a gift. Being an EE and electronics hobbyist, it would be fun taking one of those apart... :lol:

If you've seen one, you've seen 'em all.... (doesn't help that I've been building crap like that since I was in high school).

Newer stuff is all but impossible to find, when done properly...

But....

Link

 

[MK]

I wonder if the day will come when not only will those GPS tracking devices be mandated for all registered vehicles but for all firearms being sold as well such that its a felony to tamper with it much like is the case with serial numbers. I wouldn't put it past organized law enforcement or control freaks in legislative bodies to at least push for those ideas.

 

[Tomas]

I'm thinking the best thing to do would be drive to the nearest donut shop and attach their little GPS gizmo onto one of their own police cars. Let 'em track one of their own cars for a while. "Hey! Why's he driving to 12th Precinct?"

It would indeed be a difficult problem deciding between putting it in the parts bins or attaching it to something interesting (patrol car, taxi, driftwood, tall tree, whatever). :lol:

 

[AbNo]

I wonder if the day will come when not only will those GPS tracking devices be mandated for all registered vehicles but for all firearms being sold as well such that its a felony to tamper with it much like is the case with serial numbers. I wouldn't put it past organized law enforcement or control freaks in legislative bodies to at least push for those ideas.

It can be difficult to prove intent if you have a defective item that is unintentionally polluting the RF spectrum used by a GPS or any other device.

I can see a market for such things.

 

[Tomas]

I wonder if the day will come when not only will those GPS tracking devices be mandated for all registered vehicles but for all firearms being sold as well such that its a felony to tamper with it much like is the case with serial numbers. I wouldn't put it past organized law enforcement or control freaks in legislative bodies to at least push for those ideas.

Or even maybe something like On*Star that can locate your vehicle, lock it, un-lock it, listen to conversations, or shut it down on command.

Oh! Did I say that out loud?

 

[D94R]

Agreed, completely. The problem is, there are too many watchers to be watched.

Well, in actuality, there are exponentially more "watched" than there are "watchers". The problem lies in the fact that it isn't a person watching us, it's a multitude of bureaucracies that watch us. There isn't a single accountable face or person behind the camera (or however you wish to interpret what "watching" means), there are many, therefore there is no accountability on their side for you to backlash against.

The different alphabet government agencies are comprised of hundreds or thousands of employs. Joe Smith might be the one "watching" you, on any given day, but "watching" him would serve you to no avail as he's more than likely just a desk jockey. You'd have to watch the entire agency in order for us to "watch the watchers" as it is the agency who pulls the strings, not one individual in the agency, which brings me around to my point that them being a compilation of bureaus leaves us pretty much defenseless when it comes to holding "them" accountable on all but the most extreme cases of injustice.

 

[wyecoyote]

Actually If someone attaches something to my car like that, I'll consider it a gift. Being an EE and electronics hobbyist, it would be fun taking one of those apart... :lol:

Just curious. What are the laws if any with the attached GPS units to someones car? Say if the Police attach one to a person's vehicle and that person does find it can they remove it and claim it as their own? Or would the DA/Police consider it tampering with evidence? Just wondering assuming that they don't have a warrant to attach it.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I'd be tempted to collar it to a deer.