OCDO meetup? 06/04/07

[Tess]

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There is a Starbucks in the Centrewood Plaza, VERY close to the library. It's in the shopping center a few doors down from Giant. The address is 14155 St. Germain Dr.
Centreville, VA20121.

I'll be there at 6. Actually, I'll probably be there much earlier, since this location is only less than 10 minutes from my office.

 

[Scheetz]

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Well I was geared up to come to this meeting but my father informed me today that a good family friend is coming to town and they want to got out to dinner with them on the 4th.

So, I am going to have to pass on the Sbucks meeting and the MMM.

 

[bohdi]

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Tess,

I need a vente carmel macchiatto before this meeting like I need a hole in my head but I'll be there around 6:30 ish. I'd like to get to the library and get a good spot for my camera.

 

[IanB]

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:celebrateYou're bringing a camera too? :celebrate

 

[HankT]

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I've been staying out of this discussion so far but since this is that last chance to suggest something, I'll do it now.

I suggest that he OCDC/VCDL group that shows up at the Centreville library tonight take the opportunity to apologize to the MMMers for "barging in"on their meeting last time and causing whatever disruption they caused.

I suggest you do it right away, at the first opportunity where the entire group can receive the message.

It would be a real good thing to apologize.

 

[bohdi]

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I'd openly carry two Nekid but I don't want to intimidate anyone with my arsenal :lol:

 

[bohdi]

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HankT wrote:

I've been staying out of this discussion so far but since this is that last chance to suggest something, I'll do it now.

I suggest that he OCDC/VCDL group that shows up at the Centreville library tonight take the opportunity to apologize to the MMMers for "barging in"on their meeting last time and causing whatever disruption they caused.

I suggest you do it right away, at the first opportunity where the entire group can receive the message.

It would be a real good thing to apologize.

How is it "barging in" when they are open to the public?

 

[HankT]

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bohdi wrote:

HankT wrote:

I've been staying out of this discussion so far but since this is that last chance to suggest something, I'll do it now.

I suggest that he OCDC/VCDL group that shows up at the Centreville library tonight take the opportunity to apologize to the MMMers for "barging in"on their meeting last time and causing whatever disruption they caused.

I suggest you do it right away, at the first opportunity where the entire group can receive the message.

It would be a real good thing to apologize.

How is it "barging in" when they are open to the public?

That's a fair question.

In the same manner as if a bunch of antis showed up at a VCDL/or OCDC formal gathering with four or five hospital patients with gunshot wounds on gurneys who then proceeded to interrupt PVC, MS, or JP during the proceedings with details and questions about why they got shot.

How's that for an image? :what:

Does that fully answer your question, bohdi?

 

[1st freedom]

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Should you apologize for "barging" into OCDO and telling people that you don'tagree with OC and then criticizing them when they give there reasons for doing so

 

[HankT]

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1st freedom wrote:

Should you apologize for "barging" into OCDO and telling people that you don'tagree with OC and then criticizing them when they give there reasons for doing so

Yes. I think.

But it depends on what you are meaning. Tell me more about the example you have in mind.

 

[Mr. Y]

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That's a fair question.

In the same manner as if a bunch of antis showed up at a VCDL/or OCDC formal gathering with four or five hospital patients with gunshot wounds on gurneys who then proceeded to interrupt PVC, MS, or JP during the proceedings with details and questions about why they got shot.

How's that for an image? :what:

Does that fully answer your question, bohdi?

No, it's not even remotely similar to what you describe. In fact, the million mad maids do show up to protest us, using props, wailing and screaming like a banshee about so called gun violence, and the need to pass more laws on top of more laws on top of the existing laws to make it extra, super-duper illegal instad of just illegal to <insert any lawful conduct by gun owners here> so they can stop theguns from attacking us. It never ends. No matter what they get, there's always a next step. They were at the BBG and behaved similarly, albeit on a smaller scale since there were far fewer of them.

None of us here who are not sworn officers object when open carrying LEO's come barging into a fast food restaurant without a call, reasonable suspicion that a crime is taking place, or is about to take place or probablecause tobelieve thata wanted felon or misdemeanantis actually inside the building... Instead, we usually just nod and continue about our lawful business. Shouldn't the LEOs apologize to the patrons for disrupting their meals, <Staunton> where women and childrenare likelybe present?</Staunton>

Nobody here owes the million mad maids an apology. Theyhowever do owe us an apology for years of lies, deceit,scheming and planning to erode the very freedom that many of us swore an oath to uphold.

 

[IanB]

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I'm sorry, a bit confused here. I carried a camera into a public meeting and asked If I could film it. I was screeched at by middle aged lady. An old man invited me to "shoot anyone I want". The same "screech lady" told my friends to "shut up" when we corrected falsehoods that could land someone in jail. After the meeting Screech chased me out into the hall and made a scene demanding literature back from me. I conducted myself in a professional adult manner the whole evening. What bad behavior am I apologizing for?

 

[bohdi]

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That's a fair question.

In the same manner as if a bunch of antis showed up at a VCDL/or OCDC formal gathering with four or five hospital patients with gunshot wounds on gurneys who then proceeded to interrupt PVC, MS, or JP during the proceedings with details and questions about why they got shot.

How's that for an image? :what:

Does that fully answer your question, bohdi?

It would if you could prove that people that post here and actually attended this public form behaved as badly as you imply, and were a purposeful disruption to spreading the message that they were trying to impart upon their audience. However I see no evidence such behaviour was present, and submit to you the opposite was the case:

I submit for your review counselor:

Exhibit A

http://tinyurl.com/2v376h
Gun Rights, Gun Control Showdown

Gun rights and gun control advocates faced off during a recent meeting of the Million Mom March’s Northern Virginia chapter at the Kings’ Park Library in Burke last week.

The Million Mom March, a gun control advocacy group, had set up a meeting to allow former National Rifle Association lobbyist Bob Ricker speak about gun laws. Approximately two dozen attendees showed up with about half carrying their guns openly and visibly, said Laura Sonnenmark, a member of the Million Mom March.

Gun rights advocates in attendance at the meeting said they were interested in Ricker’s speech and whether he would advocate denying gun owners their right to bear arms.

"We are always interested in the thoughts of gun prohibitionists. Basically, ‘know thy enemy,’ and that is about it," said James Kadison, a member of the Virginia Citizens Defense League who attended the event.
But members of the Million Mom March found the meeting attendees who had their guns exposed intimidating, said Sonnemark.

"I just thought it was very cruel because we do have members who have been victims of gun violence or lost family members to gun violence," she said.

While your example/image is quite visual, effective, and dramatic, as long as they were polite, waited their turn to be heard, I would have no problem with them speaking personally. It's a public meeting.

 

[HankT]

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nakedshoplifter wrote:

I'm sorry, a bit confused here. I carried a camera into a public meeting and asked If I could film it. I was screeched at by middle aged lady. An old man invited me to "shoot anyone I want". The same "screech lady" told my friends to "shut up" when we corrected falsehoods that could land someone in jail. After the meeting Screech chased me out into the hall and made a scene demanding literature back from me. I conducted myself in a professional adult manner the whole evening. What bad behavior am I apologizing for?

The part you left out of the above description, of course.



Go back and readmy post again. Nah, here it is for your ready reference:

I suggest that he OCDC/VCDL group that shows up at the Centreville library tonight take the opportunity to apologize to the MMMers for "barging in"on their meeting last time and causing whatever disruption they caused.

I suggest you do it right away, at the first opportunity where the entire group can receive the message.

It would be a real good thing to apologize.



I'm telling you all that a sincere (gotta be sincere) apology will be a good thing at the meeting tonite. Assuming there even is a meeting.

 

[Tess]

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bohdi wrote:

Tess,

I need a vente carmel macchiatto before this meeting like I need a hole in my head but I'll be there around 6:30 ish. I'd like to get to the library and get a good spot for my camera.

I need a venti triple cappucino to take with me. That way, instead of yelling "bullpuckey" I can take a sip of my coffee.

Well, at that rate I might need three.

 

[Tess]

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HankT wrote:

I've been staying out of this discussion so far but since this is that last chance to suggest something, I'll do it now.

I suggest that he OCDC/VCDL group that shows up at the Centreville library tonight take the opportunity to apologize to the MMMers for "barging in"on their meeting last time and causing whatever disruption they caused.

I suggest you do it right away, at the first opportunity where the entire group can receive the message.

It would be a real good thing to apologize.

Hank, I've ignored you successfully so far, and will do so in the future. I have one sentence for you, first.

I will NOT apologize when I did nothing wrong.

 

[IanB]

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Irefuse to apologize for a wrong that never occurred (except in Hanks mind).

1: We didn't "barge in".

2: Nobody was disruptive. We asked minimal questions and they got angry. "Pro" MMM attendees asked a multitude of questions or made comments and they were respected. The difference was that the "pro" comments supported their goals and mission, so they favored that. This was not a democratic meeting.

Hank, do you live in VA? I'm guessing NO. Please refrain from asking good people to apologize for things you dreamed up and were not a witness to.

 

[Mr. Y]

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I'm telling you all that a sincere (gotta be sincere) apology will be a good thing at the meeting tonite. Assuming there even is a meeting.

When parents discipline children for misbehavior, should the parents apologize to their childrenforenacting their punitive measures?

If they did, what message would that send to the child or children? Would it send the message that the parental units "really didn't want to punish" themand perhaps lead them to the conclusion that their behavior wasn't all that offensive in the first place?

It seems to me - and I'm sure you'll correct me - that you're advocating that we collectively reinforce their negative behavior by apologizing to them for having the outright nerve to be in the same place as them. Should we also eat only atdesignated restaurants, drinkfrom designated fountains, and sit in the back of the bus too?

 

[HankT]

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Tess wrote:

HankT wrote:

I've been staying out of this discussion so far but since this is that last chance to suggest something, I'll do it now.

I suggest that he OCDC/VCDL group that shows up at the Centreville library tonight take the opportunity to apologize to the MMMers for "barging in"on their meeting last time and causing whatever disruption they caused.

I suggest you do it right away, at the first opportunity where the entire group can receive the message.

It would be a real good thing to apologize.

Hank, I've ignored you successfully so far, and will do so in the future. I have one sentence for you, first.

I will NOT apologize when I did nothing wrong.

I did not suggest that you apologize.

I suggested that the group apologize.

I still do. It would be a good thing for the OCDC/VCDL group to apologize. It's just common sense.

 

[HankT]

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nakedshoplifter wrote:

Irefuse to apologize for a wrong that never occurred (except in Hanks mind).

1: We didn't "barge in".

2: Nobody was disruptive. We asked minimal questions and they got angry. "Pro" MMM attendees asked a multitude of questions or made comments and they were respected. The difference was that the "pro" comments supported their goals and mission, so they favored that. This was not a democratic meeting.

Hank, do you live in VA? I'm guessing NO. Please refrain from asking good people to apologize for things you dreamed up and were not a witness to.

Of course, the group "barged in." We had that discussion in another thread. Tess was involved in that one.

Of course, the group was disruptive. Just ask the MMMers. You describe the part of the group's behavior where you were NOT disruptive, leaving out the part of the group's behavior where it was. Straw man.

Finally, what authority to you have for asking me to refrain from making a suggestion? I'll make it again:

I suggest that he OCDC/VCDL group that shows up at the Centreville library tonight take the opportunity to apologize to the MMMers for "barging in"on their meeting last time and causing whatever disruption they caused.

I apologize if it's too simple or redundant for you, NS.