OC in Nevada

[The Big Guy]

You said that in front of your wife? Was she armed, too?

He obviously has not been married long enough to have been shown the error of his ways....

TBG

P.S. How do you get away with taking her to a buffet for Valentines day???

 

[28kfps]

No man, not at all a jab AT you. Really. I just recalled that you go there, as many here do, and was using the recent post about why folks don't go to certain places who are against our oc stance. But it was not a jab directed "at" you. No jab intended. More of a "wait, think about that for a minute" comment.

If anything, just bringing to light that everyone has their own set of standards on what is & is not acceptable and that nobody is immune to compromise. Heck, even I go to bars and casinos that don't allow oc. We aren't robots and as such nothing is black & white. None of us are martyrs and hopefully we don't take ourselves too seriously. And we all have to do what makes us happy. That's all. No attack or jab meant.

 

[ed2276]

You said that in front of your wife? Was she armed, too?

LOL. Of course she wasn't armed. That's why I was brave enough to say it.

 

[ed2276]

He obviously has not been married long enough to have been shown the error of his ways....

TBG

Three years. I'm still in training.

P.S. How do you get away with taking her to a buffet for Valentines day???

The buffet was her idea, so it's her fault. Tomorrow is the big-spender dinner date.

 

[ed2276]

OC'd at Red Lobster, Decatur and 95...none of the millions of customers there said anything about it.

As reported, yesterday I was turned away from the buffet at Sante Fe because it was an alleged holiday. It turns out that my wife went and played the slots afterward and won enough money to pay for our Red Lobster, proper dinner-date, in full today. Thank you Sante Fe...revenge is a dish best served with lobster and a sirloin steak. :banana:

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

And it's why I don't go to Front Sight.

From their webpage: Front Sight requires that you show up and leave the property UNLOADED each day (no round in the chamber, no magazine inserted). You may load and unload OFF of Front Sight property (e.g., where Front Sight Road meets Tecopa Road).


But of course we all have our own set of standards we feel comfy with. To each their own.

To further uncover Front Sight's oppressive nature, They prevent people when on a hot range, from utilizing the Porta Potty's while loaded. if the range is so equipped. They cite some "treasonistic" (I made that up) excuse That nobody wants to fish a loaded gun out of the tank with a wire hook. Pretty weak huh?

Never mind the facts, Front Sight trains hundreds, and sometimes thousands a day in competent firearms handling, and shooting. Something I have never found in a regulated CCW class. Forget they are a major trainer of women. The classes are very close to 50/50. Let's ignore the fact that there prominent emphasis has been to normalize the firearm in everyday life in the USA. (Normalize... Huh, sound familiar?)

Recently KFPS expressed how he wished more of the older posters would attend the monthly meetings. I certainly do not speak for all, but I am in touch with many, and I do see, and hear, a common thread.

We OC'ed NLV because NLV was enforcing a unlawful statute.
We did the Water street walkabout in response to some nonsense from th eCity of Henderson.
We OC'ed The Strip, and Fremont street after Tim's Detention.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

It never occurred to us that our fellow Americans, who did not believe like us were the problem. We went straight to the people who were trying to diminish our rights by force. The idea of turning against private individuals who have the same issues, (just different categories) Is not productive in our minds.

Business owners are in some ways an arm of the government, They collect payroll taxes and excise taxes for the govt. They are rarely called on to enforce. When Frontsight makes a cold range rule, it is done with facts and reasoning. The less the rule makes sense, usually correlates with the intrusion level of govt.

The people on here complaining and boycotting businesses on here, seem to not complain about paying property tax, that goes to public schools (GFZ)
The IRS, Do they stop filing or take other action out of protest that their public building is a GFZ?
County excise tax, (after all the county registers guns)
Or any other entity who seeks to control them by force.

The list could go on, but the point is this. It appears that there has been a push from a small number among us, to slowly start concentrating not against those who have diminished open carry all our lives, but instead turn us against our fellow man (Hey it works in politics!)

Could it be that this forum was infiltrated in an effort to divide and conquer by turning us against ourselves? Oh forget it, that could NEVER happen.

As long as the theme on this forum is going against uniformed, or aloof Americans, in an attempt to force them to see our way. you will lose the people who see them down the line agreeing with us as we concentrated on the institution responsible for restricting our rights all along.

 

[SharpShootur]

The “Buns and Guns” Meet-up

The “Buns and Guns” Meet-up

My fellow Open Carriers!

The Las Vegas Open Carry of Southern Nevada is conducting another monthly meet up! We’ve traveled to various locations throughout Las Vegas as well as the surrounding area, enjoying amazing eats and treats. We’ve also enjoyed the ambiance of camaraderie with friends at each gathering. And as wonderful as it has been, remember that there is always more room at the table so please join us.

Last time we decided to have a little taste of the country. You know, back to those by gone days when “you kill it, you grill it” and the vegetables were fresh and plentiful. This time, we’re going to “saddle up” and have some good old fashion spring time fun! That’s right! Grab your friends and family for burgers, buns, and guns. Please join us for the “Buns and Guns” meet up at Five Guys!

Please spread the word for the “Buns and Guns” Meet-up! The info is as follows:

Date: February 28, 2015
Time: 6:00 p.m.
Location: Five Guys Burgers and Fries
7580 S. Las Vegas Blvd., Ste. 120
Las Vegas, NV 89123
(702) 431-0055

Hope to see you there! Remember to please bring your spouse! If you have a special someone in your life, please don’t forget to bring them too! As always, the more friends you bring the merrier! It's going to be a good time!


***PLEASE READ***
Remember, we're striving to make this a monthly event so please give me, SharpShootur, a list of any and all OC friendly restaurants and dives that you know of or find. That way, we'll have variety as well as good times!

 

[Grapeshot]

The “Buns and Guns” Meet-up

My fellow Open Carriers!

The Las Vegas Open Carry of Southern Nevada is conducting another monthly meet up! We’ve traveled to various locations throughout Las Vegas as well as the surrounding area, enjoying amazing eats and treats. We’ve also enjoyed the ambiance of camaraderie with friends at each gathering. And as wonderful as it has been, remember that there is always more room at the table so please join us.

Last time we decided to have a little taste of the country. You know, back to those by gone days when “you kill it, you grill it” and the vegetables were fresh and plentiful. This time, we’re going to “saddle up” and have some good old fashion spring time fun! That’s right! Grab your friends and family for burgers, buns, and guns. Please join us for the “Buns and Guns” meet up at Five Guys!

Please spread the word for the “Buns and Guns” Meet-up! The info is as follows:

Date: February 28, 2015
Time: 6:00 p.m.
Location: Five Guys Burgers and Fries
7580 S. Las Vegas Blvd., Ste. 120
Las Vegas, NV 89123
(702) 431-0055

Hope to see you there! Remember to please bring your spouse! If you have a special someone in your life, please don’t forget to bring them too! As always, the more friends you bring the merrier! It's going to be a good time!


***PLEASE READ***
Remember, we're striving to make this a monthly event so please give me, SharpShootur, a list of any and all OC friendly restaurants and dives that you know of or find. That way, we'll have variety as well as good times!

I see that you have already posted this to Nevada Events. Please do not double post the exact same information.

(7) NO SPAMMING: Links to spam/membership sites not related directly to firearms are NOT allowed under any circumstances! It is also considered spamming to post the same thread (even valid ones) to multiple forums.

However, a brief reference (with link) is more than acceptable.

 

[mp06011999]

To further uncover Front Sight's oppressive nature, They prevent people when on a hot range, from utilizing the Porta Potty's while loaded. if the range is so equipped. They cite some "treasonistic" (I made that up) excuse That nobody wants to fish a loaded gun out of the tank with a wire hook. Pretty weak huh?

Never mind the facts, Front Sight trains hundreds, and sometimes thousands a day in competent firearms handling, and shooting. Something I have never found in a regulated CCW class. Forget they are a major trainer of women. The classes are very close to 50/50. Let's ignore the fact that there prominent emphasis has been to normalize the firearm in everyday life in the USA. (Normalize... Huh, sound familiar?)

Recently KFPS expressed how he wished more of the older posters would attend the monthly meetings. I certainly do not speak for all, but I am in touch with many, and I do see, and hear, a common thread.

We OC'ed NLV because NLV was enforcing a unlawful statute.
We did the Water street walkabout in response to some nonsense from th eCity of Henderson.
We OC'ed The Strip, and Fremont street after Tim's Detention.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

It never occurred to us that our fellow Americans, who did not believe like us were the problem. We went straight to the people who were trying to diminish our rights by force. The idea of turning against private individuals who have the same issues, (just different categories) Is not productive in our minds.

Business owners are in some ways an arm of the government, They collect payroll taxes and excise taxes for the govt. They are rarely called on to enforce. When Frontsight makes a cold range rule, it is done with facts and reasoning. The less the rule makes sense, usually correlates with the intrusion level of govt.

The people on here complaining and boycotting businesses on here, seem to not complain about paying property tax, that goes to public schools (GFZ)
The IRS, Do they stop filing or take other action out of protest that their public building is a GFZ?
County excise tax, (after all the county registers guns)
Or any other entity who seeks to control them by force.

The list could go on, but the point is this. It appears that there has been a push from a small number among us, to slowly start concentrating not against those who have diminished open carry all our lives, but instead turn us against our fellow man (Hey it works in politics!)

Could it be that this forum was infiltrated in an effort to divide and conquer by turning us against ourselves? Oh forget it, that could NEVER happen.

As long as the theme on this forum is going against uniformed, or aloof Americans, in an attempt to force them to see our way. you will lose the people who see them down the line agreeing with us as we concentrated on the institution responsible for restricting our rights all along.

Why I posted the comment AGAINST Front Sight>>>>

It's an interesting thing - belonging to something. As humans it is an absolute necessity to belong to something. We are social creatures, even the most shut-in of us. We find common ground and develop "relationships" based upon that (those) similar interest(s). All part of being human.

Here, the common interest is open carry. That's it. As Grapeshot is quick to point out, this is not an old boys club. It is a site (forum) dedicated to promoting OPEN CARRY. And of course we have to branch off the topic a bit discussing legalities and such - all tied to open carry though. This is an important distinction to make. Even I forget it sometimes. I mean, I find it hard to believe that folks can be opposed to restricting one's right to open carry and yet support restrictions on other "inalienable" rights. BUT, we are here collectively for one reason only - the advancement of open carry. All else is incidental.

So what am I even saying? Simple, that you cannot please everybody. That the only thing any of us on here need have in common (and are expected to) is the promotion of open carry. Other agreements are a bonus, yay! And I have to remind myself of this all the time. It's like picking a politician. You pick the most important bullet points you have in common and have to ignore the rest.

A friend told me years ago when I was complaining about friends: Nobody is gonna give you everything you like. You find a quality in someone and you focus on that. Don't expect them to see anything else, or most things for that matter, your way.

All about making choices one can live with. No one is ever free for life is all about compromises.

So, as applicable to THIS forum, Front Sight could donate 100% of their income to adopting puppies for orphans of vets. Doesn't matter on here. They are anti oc and yet they are in the money making business of promoting guns. Like a gun store that doesn't allow open carry they are the worst of the offenders - hypocrites! Unless I've missed a post on here about how well it went when someone oc'd there...

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

Thank you mp for the introduction,

I showed up at Front Sight 6/18/2014 for a two Day Skill Builder, with my XD Tactical, fully loaded in a Blackhawk Serpa OC on my left side. Four loaded mags in pouches on my right. I unintentionally failed to comply with the rules regarding retention holsters, and unloaded weapon. I parked my motorcycle, checked in and apparently went to weapons inspection in quite an oblivious manner. The instructor inspecting my weapon attempted a two handed withdraw, only to be denied by the retention. On the second attempt he released the retention, and was successful in a smooth, calm, competent fashion. He Chamber Check/mag checked my weapon , and then asked if I intended to shoot my hollow points on the range. I responded negatively and he removed them from the magazine, handing them to me, and cheerfully saying I guess we will use this one to ensure your slide locks back then. He continued to safety check my weapon.
After completing the inspection of my gun, he placed it muzzle down range on the table, and pulled an ear foamy out of his breast pocket. squished it down, and placed it behind my retention. he inserted my gun, gently pulling it up a few times. and asked me what I thought about passive retention (friction.) I responded positively, he shook my hand with a huge grin and wished me a great time. He made sure I knew what time to be in the classroom, and I left the range.

The next day I shot a 15/125 (golf style) in the skills test, on turning targets. My best so far. I find it so cool that the students shortcomings never dictate the instruction. It is their obvious mission to improve your shooting the most you will allow them to. I have yet to seem them tested by a situation, they did not handle calmly and professionally, Dropped firearm? everyone holsters and turns. when clear the instructor picks it up, checks for obstruction in the barrel, and it is back to training without a word (other than range commands. Dude cranked one off during malfunction exercises? It was ignored. We were all wearing ears and pointed down range.

As for this,

Unless I've missed a post on here about how well it went when someone oc'd there...

Everyone in the handgun class is OC. Many in the rifle, Shotgun, and armory classes are as well. It is unloaded, like California up until 2012, but it is definently OC.
The training is in OWB holsters with mag pouches, on the belt. Even the presentation from concealment at Front Sight is taught wit ha full size weapon from a OWB holster.


mp's ridicules claim:

They are anti oc and yet they are in the money making business of promoting guns.

Is lobbed out without supporting facts, admission from Font sight personnel or any other reasonable explanation. The fact that on property during a busy weekend you will see hundreds of people open carrying, makes his claim appear slanderous, and motivated.

Please mp substantiate your "ANTI OC" claim.

Whoever first posts a pic of "UOC" on here just for fun, I will give up a pair of my promotional 2 or 4 day Front Sight classes, your choice. You will be responsible for the annual background check, lunch, and ammo. I am assuming you have a firearm in 9,.38 spl., .40, 10, or .45that is M&P shield size or larger.

 

[mp06011999]

Does Front Sight allow open carry of a loaded firearm on their property? Everywhere or just when actually shooting?

Not according to their website. If they practice other than what they state on their website then I have to recant my "anti" of them. But....


If you're saying they do because you can carry a gun with no bullets...
Sorry, but only antis could see that as "carrying arms". A gun with no bullets defends no one. And "allowing" people to carry empty is allowing nothing, but it is prohibiting their Constitutional Right to Bear Arms.

Look, guys, I get it. They provide great training at Front Sight and so, many of you "get soft" on your pro-oc stance when going their because it is so awesome. I understand that. And that's the compromise thing I mentioned earlier. Some of the posts just before I started the Front Sight bash just got me to thinking "not everything is necessarily that black & white".

 

[rickyray9]

Whoever first posts a pic of "UOC" on here just for fun, I will give up a pair of my promotional 2 or 4 day Front Sight classes, your choice. You will be responsible for the annual background check, lunch, and ammo. I am assuming you have a firearm in 9,.38 spl., .40, 10, or .45that is M&P shield size or larger.

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/34/12/17/7381964/3/622x350.jpg
The gentleman on the left. I live in reno though, so don't worry about it

 

[ed2276]

I am assuming you have a firearm in 9,.38 spl., .40, 10, or .45that is M&P shield size or larger.

Hey Tread, I have an M&P 9 compact. Will that pass muster on the range or would I have to use a larger gun?

 

[Grapeshot]

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/34/12/17/7381964/3/622x350.jpg
The gentleman on the left. I live in reno though, so don't worry about it

Yikes! Is that AR muzzle pointed at (nearly into) the shoulder of the man in the center? Sure looks like it.

 

[rickyray9]

Yikes! Is that AR muzzle pointed at (nearly into) the shoulder of the man in the center? Sure looks like it.

Maybe the guy in the center's arm was tired from holding up that camera phone and he needed a soft (point) place to rest it! Poor muzzle control makes me sad, let's hope it's just the camera angle playing tricks

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

Hey Tread, I have an M&P 9 compact. Will that pass muster on the range or would I have to use a larger gun?

Yes, I see lots of Shields out there. I do however have a recommendation. Make it easy on yourself if you are bringing single stack mags, (or sub 10 rounders,) bring enough to shoot 25-30 rounds That will last you through a shooting session without having to reload in the middle of your session. lets you concentrate on the stuff you are learning, instead of trying to keep up with the double stacks.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/34/12/17/7381964/3/622x350.jpg
The gentleman on the left. I live in reno though, so don't worry about it

Good looking rifle. Do you have someone who would want the classes, or should we just give em to the next guy who wants them?

 

[rickyray9]

Give them to whoever wants them first

 

[ed2276]

Yes, I see lots of Shields out there. I do however have a recommendation. Make it easy on yourself if you are bringing single stack mags, (or sub 10 rounders,) bring enough to shoot 25-30 rounds That will last you through a shooting session without having to reload in the middle of your session. lets you concentrate on the stuff you are learning, instead of trying to keep up with the double stacks.

Cool. Thanks for the recommendation. I wouldn't have thought of it, but I will certainly follow your advice.

 

[Bulleteater]

OC'd at Jalisco Cantina, E. Sunset Road at Pecos, for late lunch today without incident. Hostess and waiter definitely saw the G19 and didn't say a word. Good Mexican food.

Has anyone tried the new Black Bear Diner that recently opened on Sunset and Green Valley Pkwy (in the old Chili's location)? Mostly American comfort food. Yelp reviews seem pretty positive about their breakfast menu.