No EMPTY Gun Holsters Allowed In St.Louis Zoo!

[BB62]

Now see I just seen an article of a guy in Atlanta's Airport wiht an AR-15. And when approached and asked "Why" he replied "Safety" and was let be. Wow It really makes me wonder.

I think as most people would acknowledge: 1) very few places have been challenged in MO, unlike Georgia, and 2) the non-sterile area of airports are specifically OK for carry in GA.

On the other hand, it could have been your beady eyes and itchy trigger finger...

 

[Griz]

I didn't specify the form of activism, but at minimum it will involve Peyton and myself. I also didn't, and won't be specific, about the date and time yet.

please, please, please don't let me be working that day.

 

[Oramac]

please, please, please don't let me be working that day.

+1.

 

[LMTD]

poking my head in and looking around

Man I wish I could find my dad's old duty belt to wear empty to the zoo!

Not a lot of time for me this month, not going to be in town too much.

I got no issue stirring it up a bit when here though.

Peyton, sorry I missed you on your visit, new position at work gets pretty out of control but I should get it dialed in and some free time in short order.

 

[BB62]

Notice has been given to the Zoo, the authorities, and the press.

The scheduled armed visit, barring the citation of an applicable law, will be sometime from June 13 - June 20. The date will be determined based on mine and Peyton's schedule, and the response from the Zoo and the authorities.

 

[BB62]

Check Channel 4 tonight with Alexis Zotos. I believe both Peyton and I will be on.

I'll edit this post with a link when I find it.

Thanks to xdmcompact: http://www.kmov.com/story/29253853/gun-advocate-says-guns-should-be-allowed-at-zoo

 

[Peyton]

This shall be interesting!!

 

[deepdiver]

+1 to the last several posts

 

[xdmcompact]

http://m.kmov.com/article.html#!/116862/908e9c1727a80fa632067c5448cabcfb

 

[marshaul]

http://m.kmov.com/article.html#!/116862/908e9c1727a80fa632067c5448cabcfb

I feel the need to opine that long gun OC is counterproductive, in a way that handgun OC is not. I feel the need to opine that a person who fails to appreciate the difference needs to develop their judgment.

I also feel the desire to opine that a person with a huge gut and an OCed long gun A: is a walking stereotype, which fact distracts and detracts from whatever other point they might be wishing to make, and B: really ought to go to the gym.



That said, folks may exercise their rights as they see fit. But expect criticism.

 

[nonameisgood]

I feel the need to opine that long gun OC is counterproductive, in a way that handgun OC is not. I feel the need to opine that a person who fails to appreciate the difference needs to develop their judgment.

You and me both. But we seem to be alone in that.


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[solus]

You and me both. But we seem to be alone in that.
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nawllll...noname & marshaul been on that bandwagon with ya'lll since the start of the misguided LGOC carry or LGOC while also wearing multiple handguns & mags around the waist craze...:banghead::banghead:

do we need to initiate a gofundme exercise for gym memberships?:shocker:

ipse

 

[Grapeshot]

Originally Posted by marshaul

I feel the need to opine that long gun OC is counterproductive, in a way that handgun OC is not. I feel the need to opine that a person who fails to appreciate the difference needs to develop their judgment.

You and me both. But we seem to be alone in that.


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nawllll...noname & marshaul been on that bandwagon with ya'lll since the start of the misguided LGOC carry or LGOC while also wearing multiple handguns & mags around the waist craze...:banghead::banghead:

do we need to initiate a gofundme exercise for gym memberships?:shocker:

ipse

It's in the image - The "I" is most important to some. No gut, no glory.

 

[solus]

It's in the image - The "I" is most important to some. No gut, no glory.

this comment from the bloke who's waist is so skinny he needs braces to hold their kecks up w/their pistola.

ipse

 

[BB62]

I feel the need to opine that long gun OC is counterproductive, in a way that handgun OC is not. I feel the need to opine that a person who fails to appreciate the difference needs to develop their judgment.

I also feel the desire to opine that a person with a huge gut and an OCed long gun A: is a walking stereotype, which fact distracts and detracts from whatever other point they might be wishing to make, and B: really ought to go to the gym.



That said, folks may exercise their rights as they see fit. But expect criticism.

Thank you for substantially contributing to the dialogue here. Now that you have done so, what say you/everyone else get back on topic?

Here, I'll start... On a forum I won't advertise, the moderator (of all people) posted the following: "...Like it or not, the St. Louis Zoo is in charge of the property we refer to as "The Zoo". They set their own policies and procedures on that property, despite your objections... ...They dictate things such as dress code, the use of tobacco products, the consumption of alcohol, and yes, even whether or not they will allow someone with a firearm openly carried to enter their property."

What say the sages here?

 

[logunowner]

Thank you for substantially contributing to the dialogue here. Now that you have done so, what say you/everyone else get back on topic?

Here, I'll start... On a forum I won't advertise, the moderator (of all people) posted the following: "...Like it or not, the St. Louis Zoo is in charge of the property we refer to as "The Zoo". They set their own policies and procedures on that property, despite your objections... ...They dictate things such as dress code, the use of tobacco products, the consumption of alcohol, and yes, even whether or not they will allow someone with a firearm openly carried to enter their property."

What say the sages here?

My thoughts are, the only place the carrying of a weapon used to defend one's self should be banned is someone else's private home.
Once a "private property" is opened to the public (WalMart, Zoo....) it is no longer private. These private properties turned public should have to honor the Constitution in which they do business. Period....

 

[Grapeshot]

this comment from the bloke who's waist is so skinny he needs braces to hold their kecks up w/their pistola.

ipse

Simply a functional anti gravity device - otherwise arms too short.

 

[Grapeshot]

Thank you for substantially contributing to the dialogue here. Now that you have done so, what say you/everyone else get back on topic?

Here, I'll start... On a forum I won't advertise, the moderator (of all people) posted the following: "...Like it or not, the St. Louis Zoo is in charge of the property we refer to as "The Zoo". They set their own policies and procedures on that property, despite your objections... ...They dictate things such as dress code, the use of tobacco products, the consumption of alcohol, and yes, even whether or not they will allow someone with a firearm openly carried to enter their property."

What say the sages here?

Not so for public property.

21.750. 1. The general assembly hereby occupies and preempts the entire field of legislation touching in any way firearms, components, ammunition and supplies to the complete exclusion of any order, ordinance or regulation by any political subdivision of this state. Any existing or future orders, ordinances or regulations in this field are hereby and shall be null and void except as provided in subsection 3 of this section.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/02100007501.html

 

[deepdiver]

1 looked some more and still find no statutory authority to post the Zoo no carry excepting inside buildings could likely be posted no CC.
That applies to pretty much all of Forest Park attractions.

I will however, since it was mentioned above, once again voice my thought that LGOC at the St. Louis Zoo is counterproductive at this point in our fight.

People understand handgun OC for self-defense. People understand the handgun is safer on your hip in a holster inside the Zoo rather than outside in your car in Forest Park where car break-ins are periodically epidemic. People also understand getting from your home to the Zoo since just blocks away demonstrators were blocking intersection and punks were committing murders. I expect there are many locals who CC in the Zoo, Science Center, History Museum, etc in Forest Park.

However, those same people do not understand why someone needs an AR-15 slung across their chest at the Zoo. Just because you can doesn't mean you always should.

There is no mention if LGOC is planned at the St. Louis Zoo so my above comments are only made in response to earlier LGOC references.

 

[Ezek]

1 looked some more and still find no statutory authority to post the Zoo no carry excepting inside buildings could likely be posted no CC.
That applies to pretty much all of Forest Park attractions.

I will however, since it was mentioned above, once again voice my thought that LGOC at the St. Louis Zoo is counterproductive at this point in our fight.

People understand handgun OC for self-defense. People understand the handgun is safer on your hip in a holster inside the Zoo rather than outside in your car in Forest Park where car break-ins are periodically epidemic. People also understand getting from your home to the Zoo since just blocks away demonstrators were blocking intersection and punks were committing murders. I expect there are many locals who CC in the Zoo, Science Center, History Museum, etc in Forest Park.

However, those same people do not understand why someone needs an AR-15 slung across their chest at the Zoo. Just because you can doesn't mean you always should.

There is no mention if LGOC is planned at the St. Louis Zoo so my above comments are only made in response to earlier LGOC references.

LGOC has it's place, but as a self defense activism at a zoo it really isn't there. I mean honestly why do you need a weapon with a 16" barrel capable of firing a round with an effective range of 500 meters? a handgun is much more applicable to any potential situation you might find yourself in in a public area that is frequented with many patrons. IE you do not need to reach out 500 meters to "make the point", besides which most .223/556 rounds may cause additional collateral damage if you hit only soft tissue, like it passes through intended target and hits whoever is unfortunate enough to be behind them.

and the person firing that round is now responsible legally for that collateral damage.

reason many LEO's use this round is because of accuracy and it also demolishes any potential cover over time. it also is capable of penetrating many soft body armors.