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New Front in War on Drugs: Police

DeSchaine

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utbagpiper

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Seems more and more that cops are being accidentally overdosed in the courses of their investigations. If they're being this sloppy with unknown, probably hazardous substances, what about the rest of the aspects of their jobs? And these are the people we're supposed to trust to save our lives?
As nightmare pointed out, the concentration and danger of these drugs has increased dramatically in recent years. In some cases this puts cops into a no-win situation. If they don't test immediately to confirm the substance in the baggy is actually drugs, some ACLU type screams about arrests being made without probable cause. If they do test on the spot, they risk exposure to and overdose from drugs stronger than anyone might expect even idiot druggies or dealers to be carrying around in a plastic baggie, along with attacks from those who expect cops to either be perfect or cease to exist.

There is another angle to this however. If cops are getting accidentally overdosed through casual skin contact or minimal inhalation, then these drugs are no longer in the realm of only affecting those who use them. Drugs so powerful as to cause dangerous overdoses through such incidental contact are clear a hazard to public health and so warrant strict regulation even if one normally subscribes to a l/Libertarian view of wanting to legalize drugs.

As an analogy: I just don't care how badly someone wants the "freedom" to personally use VX-nerve agent. That stuff poses such a risk to others, even in fairly small quantities, that even those who might favor legalizing most recreational drugs must concede that limits on possession of VX and other such nerve agents are entirely appropriate.
 

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And to think, 35 years ago, I was identifying various solvents by smell. MEK, xylene, MIBK, toluene, etc. as I had to work with certain adhesives, many of which required specific solvents. While the 55 gal. drums these were drawn from were well labelled, the small amounts (8-32 oz.) we took for use in the lab usually weren't marked.
You forgot to add over 40 years of smoking.
 

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Man, that's scary. Think about it: If you OD on opiods (like heroin), you're probably not going to have the sense God gave a retarded goose in order to self-administer the countering drug.

These liberals claim they're saving lives, which may be true in the short run, but in the long run, they're feeding a drug-using culture where fear of ODing and dying is no longer a strong deterrent.

Then again, with some folks, it never was.

I can't but wonder how many more people are going to OD now that they think they have a "rescue?"
 

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Are not opioid drug currently heavily and relentlessly regulated? Can't get any more illegal where unlawful/distribution use is concerned.
 

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Like Lazarus they depend on a savior.

Naloxone was FDA approved in 1971. It is inexpensive, but the self-injectors (that a first responder might use) are caught up in the Epi-Pen controversy and have cost ~$5,000.
If I remember the Biblical story correctly--- It was NOT Lazarus wanting to be restored to life but his family who desired he be restored.
 

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Man, that's scary. Think about it: If you OD on opiods (like heroin), you're probably not going to have the sense God gave a retarded goose in order to self-administer the countering drug.

These liberals claim they're saving lives, which may be true in the short run, but in the long run, they're feeding a drug-using culture where fear of ODing and dying is no longer a strong deterrent.

Then again, with some folks, it never was.

I can't but wonder how many more people are going to OD now that they think they have a "rescue?"
(Nothing personal, Since9. You used the word exactly like I've seen it used nearly a dozen times by journalists recently. In fact, this rant is against journalists, not you.)

WTH!?!!

I simply just do not understand this. The suffix --oid means resembling or like. So, an opioid would be a drug that resembles an opiate. But, the dang is NOT an opiate! It just resembles an opiate in function, effect, or whatever.

Soooooo. Where the heck do these supposedly college educated journalists, government officials, and police get off calling heroin an opioid!?!?!?! Dammit!! Heroin is almost the original opium drug. It ain't an opioid. Its the real dam thing.

Aaarrrrrrggghhhhhh!

/rant

I feel better now. :)
 
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I haven't smoked cigarettes (and I never inhaled them into my lungs) since my college days when they were passing out 5 cig packs on the streets for a new brand called "Merit".
I actually prefer my pipes and cigars but again, I don't inhale. I just "taste" the smoke. And I haven't smoked any thing for over 12 years - too expensive.
"All cigar and cigarette smokers, whether or not they inhale, directly expose their lips, mouth, tongue, throat, and larynx to smoke and its toxic and cancer-causing chemicals. In addition, when saliva containing the chemicals in tobacco smoke is swallowed, the esophagus is exposed to carcinogens. These exposures probably account for the similar oral and esophageal cancer risks seen among cigar smokers and cigarette smokers."
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/cigars-fact-sheet#q4
 

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(Nothing personal, Since9. You used the word exactly like I've seen it used nearly a dozen times by journalists recently. In fact, this rant is against journalists, not you.)

WTH!?!!

I simply just do not understand this. The suffix --oid means resembling or like. So, an opioid would be a drug that resembles an opiate. But, the dang is NOT an opiate! It just resembles an opiate in function, effect, or whatever.

Soooooo. Where the heck do these supposedly college educated journalists, government officials, and police get off calling heroin an opioid!?!?!?! Dammit!! Heroin is almost the original opium drug. It ain't an opioid. Its the real dam thing.

Aaarrrrrrggghhhhhh!

/rant

I feel better now. :)
You raised some good points. Let me respond...

"Heroin, also known as diamorphine among other names,[1] is an opiate most commonly used as a recreational drug for its euphoric effects.[2] Medically it is occasionally used to relieve pain and in opioid replacement therapy." (Source: "Heroin". Drugs.com. 18 May 2014. Retrieved 19 October 2016.)

"Opiate is a term classically used in pharmacology to mean a drug derived from opium. Opioid, a more modern term, is used to designate all substances, both natural and synthetic, that bind to opioid receptors (including antagonists)." (Source: Hemmings, Hugh C.; Egan, Talmage D. (2013). Pharmacology and Physiology for Anesthesia: Foundations and Clinical Application: Expert Consult - Online and Print. Elsevier Health Scienc,es. p. 253. ISBN 1437716792.)

Because opioids include "all substances, both natural and synthetic, that bind to opioid receptors," and because "opiates are drugs derived from opium," heroin is both an opioid as well as an opiate.

Put another way, the specific receptors are called "opioid receptors," and all three of the following classes of drugs will bind to them:
- opiates - Morphine, Codeine, Heroin, Opium, etc.
- opioids - all opiates, as well as Methadone, Percocet, Percodan, OxyContin (oxycodone), Vicodin, Lorcet, Lortab (hydrocodone), Demerol (pethidine), Dilaudid (hydromorphone), Duragesic (fentanyl), etc.
- antagonists - Naloxone, Naltrexone, etc.

ETA: Summary - Opioids are any substance which binds to the opioid receptors in our brains/central nervous system, and include opioids, opiates, and opioid antagonists, whereas opiates are the subclass of opioids derived from opium.
 
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"All cigar and cigarette smokers, whether or not they inhale, directly expose their lips, mouth, tongue, throat, and larynx to smoke and its toxic and cancer-causing chemicals. In addition, when saliva containing the chemicals in tobacco smoke is swallowed, the esophagus is exposed to carcinogens. These exposures probably account for the similar oral and esophageal cancer risks seen among cigar smokers and cigarette smokers."
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/cigars-fact-sheet#q4
+1
 

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--snipped-- That is one of the reasons (besides expense) I haven's smoked anything (other than meat) for years.
Be careful about how much heat you use.

"When meat—be it beef, pork, fish, or poultry—is cooked at high temperatures, it forms heterocyclic amines (HCAs) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). According to the National Cancer Institute, HCAs and PCAs cause cancer in animal models (think: lab rats). So far it's unclear if humans sprout cancer growths after exposure to HCAs and PHAs, but we aren't volunteering for any trials to find out for sure.

Still, experts advise against eating cooked-crispy meats, since there's a pretty good chance they can up your risk of prostate, pancreatic, and colorectal cancer, according to Natalie E. Azar, M.D., clinical assistant professor of medicine and rheumatology at NYU Medical Center."
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/07/11/health-myth-does-burnt-meat-cause-cancer.html

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/cooked-meats-fact-sheet
 

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Are you sure? Only ones? :lol:
I believe we live ones and we die ones.. And from my favorite western movie, " Dying ain't much of a living boy".. The outlaw Josey Wales

Grape, it's all about moderation and trying to live stress free..

I am headed out today, for a late lunch, early dinner with an old colleague.

On the menu, Ny strip steak, medium, with a garlic mash potatoes and lobster mac and cheese

One pint of Jameson Irish Whiskey. followed by a Macanudo Cigar.

The most stressful part of my day, is, wondering if they will cook the steak to my liking...

NO STRESS IS THE KEY TO A LONG LIFE!

BEO FADA, Grape

Regards
CCJ
 
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