Nevada Petition to Secede

[metaforge]

How would the state get around this little gem that makes our State Constitution unique, Remember our State was formed during the Civil War.

and this ordinance shall be irrevocable, without the consent of the United States and the people of the State of Nevada:

Easy - amend it. Sounds like there's a good bit of amending to do - given our Nevada forefathers seem to have taken it up the rear to join the 'perfect union'.

Nice in "Third" how they exempt themselves from taxes unless they approve them. JFC

 

[DCR]

Not so fast, secessionistas...

It's not so simple. Anyone giving serious consideration to signing the secession petitions, or declaring themselves "sovereign citizens" should give this a quick read:

http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2012/11/19/can-we-get-rid-of-the-malcontents/

 

[Citizen]

I understand, but if you leave it open ended, who knows what they will try. This is the "carrot" to offer to liberals, because if you did my plan today, the feds would get about the same tax 'revenue' (god I hate that word used for taxes - revenue should mean providing a product/service mutually agreed upon by a free market buyer & seller at a mutually agreed upon price - not coerced vigs taken at the point of a gun... sigh) as they have today, but the key difference being where it comes from is up to the states. As you say the legislature is still under pressure because if they raise taxes too high on federal pressure, people will balk. They'll be pressured by both sides, and guess which side gets to vote to keep them in power? That's right - the people. Helluva tiebreaker, eh?

Makes sense. Same tie-breaker. Plus yours has a limiter where mine didn't.

 

[DCR]

DCR I'm new here, but I'll say this certainly in my mind doesn't speak well for you linking to this ********.

Ever heard the admonitions "Know thy enemy" or "Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it?"

Intellectual growth cannot occur unless you read things you disagree with; if you don't challenge your beliefs and opinions, you won't be able to defend them well.


I submit that your invective-filled tirade is a dodge because you can't refute a thing the author wrote about the legality or consequences of secession or renunciation of citizenship. If I am incorrect, please enlighten us, with verifiable references....

 

[Citizen]

It's not so simple. Anyone giving serious consideration to signing the secession petitions, or declaring themselves "sovereign citizens" should give this a quick read:

http://www.ridenbaugh.com/index.php/2012/11/19/can-we-get-rid-of-the-malcontents/

I agree with MetaForge to a certain extent. The linked commentary has plenty of rubbish.

For example, the War for Involuntary Union, 1861-1865, did not settle the secession issue anymore than Gotti's murder of Costellano settled the payment of protection money to the Gambino family. Arbitrary force is arbitrary force, and rule of law is rule of law. Under the Tenth Amendment, any power not delegated to the fedgov, or prohibited to the states is reserved to the states. The constitution does not prohibit secession; therefore it is reserved to the states. I strongly suspect this is the whole reason Lincoln had to lie and treat the secessors as rebels. The constitution authorizes putting down a rebellion; it doesn't prohibit states leaving a voluntary union, nor authorize forcing states to stay.