Murray vs. Rossi

[Beretta92FSLady]

who regurgitate the same crap every night that the left-wingers sop up like it's news.

I love the gravy

 

[tombrewster421]

There hasn't been a declared war in over 50 years. Yet in each case, the presidents acted WITH THE AUTHORIZATION OF CONGRESS. Therefore, it is constitutional. What you call being "world police, I call protecting our national & strategic interests. And defending the occasional ally. If you recall your history, we tried isolationism in the first half of the 20th century. It was a dismal failure, and got us into two world wars that far exceed anything we've been involved in since.

This whole idea that "if we just left everyone alone they wouldn't hate us" is, IMHO, very naive. Especially from a "gun person." Why do we all carry in the first place hmm? We generally don't bother anyone, other than simply exercising our rights. We certainly don't try to play police (well, most of us). Yet we all realize that even if we don't bother anyone else, there are still others out there who wish to do us harm. Sometimes they have a reason, often lots of excuses. Sometimes there's no reason. Yet they still hate.

So many countries hate us because they hate our liberty, they hate our success, and they hate our exceptionalism. We went from a little backwoods colony to the single most powerful nation on earth in barely 200 years. And we did it while our people enjoyed an unprecedented level of personal liberty, even while we continued to define that liberty through very trying times. We still don't have it perfect, but what we have is FAR, FAR BETTER than most places on earth. And THAT is why they hate us.

It seems that in your examples of the reasons that others hate the U.S. Envy might be a better word to use. And if congress approved the bill that allows the president to do whatever military actions he wants. Don't you think that the very bill that allows it is unconstitutional? Congress doesn't have to approve anymore because the power was already given up. The bill doesn't call it war because then it would be obvious that it is indeed unconstitutional. The President was not intended to have that power.

 

[Metalhead47]

I love the gravy

We've been over this already, you like the Kool-Aid, remember?

 

[Metalhead47]

It seems that in your examples of the reasons that others hate the U.S. Envy might be a better word to use. And if congress approved the bill that allows the president to do whatever military actions he wants. Don't you think that the very bill that allows it is unconstitutional? Congress doesn't have to approve anymore because the power was already given up. The bill doesn't call it war because then it would be obvious that it is indeed unconstitutional. The President was not intended to have that power.

Was it Yoda who said envy leads to hate? Is there really a difference?

The President is Commander in Chief. That' means he's the grand high leader of all the armed forces. In times of conflict, he is authorized by the congress, whether it's called a war or not, to do "whatever military actions he wants," because he leads the armed forces! If the congress does not approve of his actions, they have several options available to stop him. At the very least, they can simply de-fund the military activity.

 

[Deleted_User]

Was it Yoda who said envy leads to hate? Is there really a difference?

The President is Commander in Chief. That' means he's the grand high leader of all the armed forces. In times of conflict, he is authorized by the congress, whether it's called a war or not, to do "whatever military actions he wants," because he leads the armed forces! If the congress does not approve of his actions, they have several options available to stop him. At the very least, they can simply de-fund the military activity.

Tombrewster said: I wasn't saying that at all. I'm just saying that since congress did not declare war, then under the constitution, we are not at war. We are merely acting as the world police. That's why so many countries hate us.

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If it really is a war, then it's an illegal one because it goes against the constitution.

It almost... ALMOST makes us (as a Nation to the eyes of the World) look hypocritical, doesn't it?

OT:
Cite: Master Yoda "Attack of the Clones":

Fear is the path to the Dark Side.
Fear leads to Anger,
Anger leads to Hate,
Hate leads to suffering.

 

[tombrewster421]

Tombrewster said: I wasn't saying that at all. I'm just saying that since congress did not declare war, then under the constitution, we are not at war. We are merely acting as the world police. That's why so many countries hate us.

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If it really is a war, then it's an illegal one because it goes against the constitution.

It almost... ALMOST makes us (as a Nation to the eyes of the World) look hypocritical, doesn't it?

OT:
Cite: Master Yoda "Attack of the Clones":

Fear is the path to the Dark Side.
Fear leads to Anger,
Anger leads to Hate,
Hate leads to suffering.

Very wise are you, young Goose.