Well, when you realize that both MSNBC and FOX are owned by two Papal Knights of Malta, stories (and thats all they are, they aren't 'news') coming from those two outlets will be seen to have a tendency to paint all things tyrannical in the best possible light, while villifying all things based on individual liberty.
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MSNBC news crew chief surprised that real people open carry
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OldCurlyWolf
Regular Member
ANOTHER conspiracy theorist? Not Again!:exclaim::exclaim:
Show me something meaningful that happened in History without more than one man working to one end (the meaning of 'conspiracy')
I merely take Rome at her repeated word and note her repeated historic actions.
BTW, OCW...are you not violating both the rules of discourse on this board AND your own signature by attempting to attach a pejorative to me?
I don't attack folk based on religion, but by the same token I don't suffer those acting upon religion to attack others deemed 'heretical' by the leader of their supposed 'church'. Cuts the same way for Rome as it does for Mecca.
I don't attack folk based on religion, but by the same token I don't suffer those acting upon religion to attack others deemed 'heretical' by the leader of their supposed 'church'. Cuts the same way for Rome as it does for Mecca.
eye95
Well-known member
Did you forget your tinfoil again? Obviously you have been brainwashed by the conspirators if you can't see the conspiracy! Wear your tinfoil next time.
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Oooh, monkey wanna banana?
"It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country – the United States of America – are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe."
Marquis de LaFayette (1757-1834; French statesman and general. He served in the American Continental Army under the command of General George Washington during the American Revolutionary War.)
"The war [i.e., the American Civil War of 1861-1865] would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits."
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865; 16th President of the United States)
"My history of the Jesuits is not eloquently written, but it is supported by unquestionable authorities, [and] is very particular and very horrible. Their [the Jesuit Order’s] restoration [in 1814 by Pope Pius VII] is indeed a step toward darkness, cruelty, despotism, [and] death. … I do not like the appearance of the Jesuits. If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell, it is this Society of [Ignatius de] Loyola."
John Adams (1735-1826; 2nd President of the United States)
Yah, a tinfoil hat maniac akin to these fine fellows.
Proudly worn in such august company.
"It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country – the United States of America – are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe."
Marquis de LaFayette (1757-1834; French statesman and general. He served in the American Continental Army under the command of General George Washington during the American Revolutionary War.)
"The war [i.e., the American Civil War of 1861-1865] would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits."
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865; 16th President of the United States)
"My history of the Jesuits is not eloquently written, but it is supported by unquestionable authorities, [and] is very particular and very horrible. Their [the Jesuit Order’s] restoration [in 1814 by Pope Pius VII] is indeed a step toward darkness, cruelty, despotism, [and] death. … I do not like the appearance of the Jesuits. If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell, it is this Society of [Ignatius de] Loyola."
John Adams (1735-1826; 2nd President of the United States)
Yah, a tinfoil hat maniac akin to these fine fellows.
Proudly worn in such august company.
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NRAMARINE
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Thank you, you just saved me a fortune on asprin.
OldCurlyWolf
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Quote Originally Posted by Awshucks
Well, when you realize that both MSNBC and FOX are owned by two Papal Knights of Malta, stories (and thats all they are, they aren't 'news') coming from those two outlets will be seen to have a tendency to paint all things tyrannical in the best possible light, while villifying all things based on individual liberty.
The fellow has problems.:cuss:
Well, when you realize that both MSNBC and FOX are owned by two Papal Knights of Malta, stories (and thats all they are, they aren't 'news') coming from those two outlets will be seen to have a tendency to paint all things tyrannical in the best possible light, while villifying all things based on individual liberty.
The fellow has problems.:cuss:
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Returning to the topic...
To answer the original question and with the benefit of eyes born outside the USA and having travelled widely, including across the USA:
Culture varies widely even within fairly small nations, indeed it tends to vary a lot even within each state (think about it in your home states) but often people are blind to shared cultural 'givens' until confronted by a place which does it differently.
A few examples from my own experiences:
Syrup and sweet pancakes next to meat, for breakfast. What?! This was utterly weird to me when I first met it.
In Switzerland they don't care what guns you have in your car but the exhaust emissions better be within the legislated range and the engine better not be too noisy, both are grounds for on the spot fines; the loaded guns on your backseat are not.
Buying alcohol on credit? Weird. This is illegal where I hail from, though the usual fudge is to have a meal as well, run up the entire bill and then settle with a card.
Children driving cars? Wow! In many nations you must be an adult, with voting rights and all that jazz, in order to be given a driving licence.
So... back to the USA.
In Arizona I was utterly unfazed by people carry guns around me, although it wasn't very common within the cities and large towns, however I had gone there with knowledge of its gun laws and where I was born we are fed a rather distorted image of the USA's gun laws anyway, so a lot of us expect every American to be wearing a pistol and cowboy boots. ;¬)
In New York I don't think I ever saw anyone with a gun, even many people who were ostensibly police officers didn't appear to be carrying (openly at any rate).
I was surprised to find that Texas doesn't permit openly carrying a firearm (I have since read up on the laws and understand the historical context) because we usually imagine it to be even more full of people with pistols, hats and cowboy boots. :¬)
The bottom line is that people are often ignorant of differences in laws even within their own nation, if their local experiences are different from what prevails elsewhere.
I remember some people in an international chatroom getting very angry and upset and shouting about the FBI (as if they have international jurisdiction!) because a 16 yo was openly talking about being in a sexual relationship. This was (and is), of course, completely legal where she lived (UK) and at various times and under various circumstances was / is legal even within the USA.
To answer the original question and with the benefit of eyes born outside the USA and having travelled widely, including across the USA:
Culture varies widely even within fairly small nations, indeed it tends to vary a lot even within each state (think about it in your home states) but often people are blind to shared cultural 'givens' until confronted by a place which does it differently.
A few examples from my own experiences:
Syrup and sweet pancakes next to meat, for breakfast. What?! This was utterly weird to me when I first met it.
In Switzerland they don't care what guns you have in your car but the exhaust emissions better be within the legislated range and the engine better not be too noisy, both are grounds for on the spot fines; the loaded guns on your backseat are not.
Buying alcohol on credit? Weird. This is illegal where I hail from, though the usual fudge is to have a meal as well, run up the entire bill and then settle with a card.
Children driving cars? Wow! In many nations you must be an adult, with voting rights and all that jazz, in order to be given a driving licence.
So... back to the USA.
In Arizona I was utterly unfazed by people carry guns around me, although it wasn't very common within the cities and large towns, however I had gone there with knowledge of its gun laws and where I was born we are fed a rather distorted image of the USA's gun laws anyway, so a lot of us expect every American to be wearing a pistol and cowboy boots. ;¬)
In New York I don't think I ever saw anyone with a gun, even many people who were ostensibly police officers didn't appear to be carrying (openly at any rate).
I was surprised to find that Texas doesn't permit openly carrying a firearm (I have since read up on the laws and understand the historical context) because we usually imagine it to be even more full of people with pistols, hats and cowboy boots. :¬)
The bottom line is that people are often ignorant of differences in laws even within their own nation, if their local experiences are different from what prevails elsewhere.
I remember some people in an international chatroom getting very angry and upset and shouting about the FBI (as if they have international jurisdiction!) because a 16 yo was openly talking about being in a sexual relationship. This was (and is), of course, completely legal where she lived (UK) and at various times and under various circumstances was / is legal even within the USA.
50horseplay
New member
Last night on MSNBC's " Lockup, Maricopa County, Ain't no hotel".......
The film crew apparently shot some random footage of them getting lunch at a sandwich shop just down the road from Sheriff Joe's place. One of the crew was disturbed to see the young lady behind the counter OC'ing a Glock. He asked her
" Why are you carrying a gun?"
Her "This is a right to carry state. You never know when some crazy is lurking around the corner." ( Good for her.)
He was later recorded saying that he found this behavior Disconcerting that his sandwich artist was packing, and that it takes some getting used to "Cultural differences, this is a place where people actually go around with guns."
I guess the obvious question is why is this considered a cultural difference? Have the masses been so brainwashed into surrendering their constitutional rights that AMERICAN CULTURE is now considered foreign to some? I don't want this to turn into a big argument, I'm just really trying to understand.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/lockup-raw-ain-t-no-hotel/6cdzn8v?from=
My kind of girl
I enjoyed that episode. Dont usually like most of the stuff on Msnbc, usually one-sided. Anyone know what holster that was that she had?
50horseplay
New member
Nevermind the question on which holster she had.....found and purchased it!!
Virginian683
Regular Member
There is a common misconception, fueled by the "sex crime" obsessed media, that the age of consent is 18 everywhere in the US. In fact, in a majority of states it is 16 or 17.
In Virginia (an 18 state), if you are 18 you can marry somebody aged 17 with parental consent, but sleep with her beforehand and you will be charged as a felony rapist even if she consented because she is a "child." However, marry the "child" and it's OK. What?
In the end, it is just an arbitrary line like all other age limits and says nothing about whether the person is mature or not. Unfortunately due to Puritan heritage and influence of the "bible belt" Americans have a tendency to be rather infantile and prudish on some issues.
The other day I was watching one of those operating room shows (I flipped to it by chance) and they were showing a caesarian section. There is no problem in the US with showing all manner of blood and gore spilling out onto the table but you BETTER NOT show the vagina. Then when they got the baby out, they censored her privates also.
I mean, it's a BABY. Maybe I'm not a real American, or maybe I'm a pervert, because I find nothing at all lewd about a nude baby. But yes, let's please see more of that bloody, sliced n' diced subcutaneous fat spilling out.
Most Americans have never seen foreign TV so they don't understand. In Europe it's the opposite. You can see topless women in daytime TV commercials, but the amount of senseless violence and gore shown on American TV is rare. I think the Europeans have it right on this one.
A German friend once asked me "Why do you Americans not let anybody walk down the street with a beer in his hand, but you can walk down the street with a gun?" (It's the other way around in Germany.) I had to admit he had a point. The best answer I could come up with was "I guess Americans are incapable of drinking or acting responsibly so we have to carry guns to protect ourselves from all the other irresponsible Americans."
There is a lot of stubborn ignorance and immaturity in this country, and not just due to "liberals" but also due to conservatives (see above examples). Fortunately, personal liberty is an American cultural difference I happen to agree with. It is the one truly unique and redeeming characteristic of this country, and it makes life here worth living. Without it I wouldn't be able to put up with so many ignorant and irresponsible people. I just hope they can't breed enough in my lifetime to take my rights away.
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Virginian683
Regular Member
Note to self: Do not ever --ever -- mention the Knights of Malta on OCDO.
(Yes they are real, they are the only sovereign entity in the world without a territory, and they have diplomatic relations with 104 countries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_Malta)
I'm not trying to piss anybody off, but on page 1 of this thread somebody posted a link to no less than 45 separate "communist conspiracies." He was not banned (nor should he be.) A guy mentions somebody might be a member of the Knights of Malta and he gets banned without ever being obscene or threatening anybody? Yes it was OT, but how about a warning? Is this what OCDO is?
Sorry if I'm out of line, but I've often been ridiculed (elsewhere) for offering an occasional non-conformist view myself.
eye95
Well-known member
He was not banned for a single mention of the Knights of Malta. He was banned because all of his posts, post after post, were Catholic-bashing, not disagreement with Catholic ideology, by incessant bashing.
The ban just happened after a particular post where he claimed that Fox and MSNBC are owned by members of the Knights of Malta.
I am sure that you will not be banned for posting about the Knights of Malta. However, if all of your posting becomes Catholic-bashing, not talking about open carry (or firearms in general), you likely will be banned also. Not being a brand-new poster, you will likely be given more of a benefit of a doubt and a warning or two first.
That, of course, would be entirely up to the owners of this site.
Moving on.
BaconMan
Regular Member
As a news man he should have known where he was and what kinds of things are allowed in that state. They just needed to waste video because they had nothing to do....:banghead:
me812
Regular Member
The film crew apparently shot some random footage of them getting lunch at a sandwich shop just down the road from Sheriff Joe's place.
I wonder if it was the Old Station sub shop on 13th Avenue and Jefferson. If it was, she certainly had a good reason to carry, it's right off of skid row. Best subs in Phoenix, though.
I wonder if it was the Old Station sub shop on 13th Avenue and Jefferson. If it was, she certainly had a good reason to carry, it's right off of skid row. Best subs in Phoenix, though.
DWCook
Activist Member
Not to revive an old thread here...but just watched that short clip and have to say........pretty awesome to carry while working at a sandwich shop! Makes me think....I will definitely get service!
