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Major GOP gun control package on deck

77zach

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SB 7022 will be passed by the anti gun Republicans in the Fl Senate next week, per Governor Skeletor's Senate campaign speech. There's a chance it can be defeated in the House, but we'll have to put the heat on them. It doesn't look good, this is the start of the downward spiral.
 
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EMERGENCY ALERT! Don’t Let Them Blame You For Parkland

DATE: February 23, 2018
TO: USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President


Today, Governor Rick Scott, the Florida Senate and the Florida House announced their respective plans to stop future mass shooters in our schools.

There are components of the plan that we should all support. Hardening our schools, putting law enforcement in all schools when students are present, training volunteer teachers to use guns and protect children, keeping guns out of the hands of the dangerously mentally ill, and allowing law enforcement and administrators to deal with people who are a danger to themselves or others, are all things that need to be done. Unfortunately, there are gun control measures being considered as well.

The legislature is considering the following gun control measures:

1. A three day waiting period (3-Day Wait) on the purchase of all firearms. There is no way a 3-day waiting period would have stopped the Parkland murderer. He bought his gun many months before committing a planned, premeditated murder of 17 high school students and teachers. Proponents of a 3-day waiting period claim the waiting period is supposed to stop a person from running out in the heat of passion and buying a gun to kill someone. But they ignore the fact that mass shootings have all been planned in advance.

2. Ban on Bump Stocks. This was pulled out of the air to add more gun control to appease anti-gun groups. The regulation of Bump Stocks is currently being addressed by the U.S. Department of Justice. Banning something that is being worked on at the federal leveI is just an excuse to add another gun-ban-type item to the list. It had nothing to do with the Parkland shooting.

3. Raise the age limit to purchase rifles and shotguns from 18 to 21. 18 year-olds can vote, purchase a car, sign a legal contract, become a law enforcement officer, join the military and go overseas and die for our country – but they shouldn’t be able to buy a rifle or shotgun for self-defense, hunting or target shooting? This is a punitive, misguided and failed approach. The result is that a 20-year-old man or woman would not be able to purchase ANY firearm for self-defense, hunting or any other lawful purpose.

If raising the age to purchase a long gun would have stopped the Parkland killer from purchasing a gun legally how could it have stopped him from purchasing one illegally?

We must address BEHAVIOR -- and that is not accomplished with gun control. Punishing law-abiding gun owners for the acts of a criminal, instead of focusing on the abject failures of the FBI, Broward Sheriff’s office, Dept. of Children and Families, and a Deputy Sheriff who wouldn’t go into the school and stop the shooter is the wrong way to deal with this situation. We can do better.

Please EMAIL Governor Rick Scott, Senate President Joe Negron and House Speaker Richard Corcoran, incoming Senate President Bill Galvano and incoming House Speaker Jose Oliva IMMEDIATELY and tell them NO GUN CONTROL.

Urge them to provide armed security in schools and tighten mental health laws to keep guns out of the hands of those who are a danger to themselves or others BUT LEAVE THE RIGHTS OF LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS ALONE.

IN THE SUBJECT LINE PUT: DON’T BLAME GUN OWNERS FOR PARKLAND

(To send your message to all just Block and Copy All email addresses into the "Send To" box)

rick.scott@eog.myflorida.com
negron.joe@flsenate.gov
richard.corcoran@myfloridahouse.gov
jose.oliva@myfloridahouse.gov
galvano.bill@flsenate.gov
officeofthesenatepresident@flsenate.gov
RC@richardcorcoran.com
 

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He's trying to keep his voting constituents happy.

First thing the snow birds (those not from here) pack up when moving south are the very things we detest so much. Reminds me of the smell of an ill kept outhouse.
 
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phil1979

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Florida is just doing what most state governments do these days. They "do something", anything except the something that gets real results. All Florida state politicians want (with few exceptions) is to keep their voters happy and stay in power. If that does not include saving lives, that is okay to them.

When the next mass school shooting happens, they will again feign shock that their measures did not help, and ask the voters to trust them to "do something" again, promising that they will really help this time.

https://pursuitofpatriotism.blogspot.com/2018/02/transparent-open-letter-to-parents-of.html
 

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Looks bad!

From arfcom https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Florida-senators-to-vote-today-on-GUN-CONTROL-UPDATE-AWB-trigger-locks-registration-UBCs/5-2085468/

Committee Meeting at 2:30 PM

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Amendments:

Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Amendment 772096 makes the Dept of Ag transfer 10% of all fees from CCW permits be spent on repaying Trauma Centers for the medical costs of caring for patients of "Mass Shootings". The term "mass shooting" means an incident in which four or more people are killed or injured by firearms in one or more locations in close proximity.

Amendment 411458 is the Assault Weapons Ban.

Amendment 812202 makes possession of a Bump Stock a Felony.

Amendment 697008 makes a requirement to have a safe, trigger lock, etc... basically you cannot keep a gun unlocked or loaded in your home.

Amendment 197998 makes registration legal in Florida.

Amendment 504798 makes universal background checks and ends private sales.
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HELP FIGHT. CALL THEM ALL!

Here is the makeup of the Rules Committee.

Chair: Senator Lizbeth Benacquisto (R) - PRO GUN
Vice Chair: Senator Oscar Braynon II (D) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Lauren Book (D) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Rob Bradley (R) - unknown
Senator Jeff Brandes (R) - unknown
Senator Anitere Flores (R) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Bill Galvano (R) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Tom Lee (R) - unknown
Senator Bill Montford (D) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Keith Perry (R) - unknown
Senator Jose Javier Rodriguez (D) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Wilton Simpson (R) - unknown
Senator Perry E. Thurston, Jr. (D) - ANTI-GUN

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Florida senators to vote today on gun measures. Will it include assault weapons ban?

The Senate Rules Committee votes on an amendment to SPB 7022 by Sen. Jose Javier Rodriguez, D-Miami that bans semi-automatic firearms, including AR-15s, sold in Florida.

A powerful Florida Senate committee is expected to approve a package of bills Monday that are bitterly opposed by the National Rifle Association.

That is news.

It's the first time in more than a decade that legislation opposed by the politically powerful interest group will have advanced in Florida's Republican-led Legislature. So is this the tipping point of the gun debate that has been dominated for the last decade by the gun-rights lobby?

The answer to that will come when the Senate Rules Committee votes on an amendment to SPB 7022 on Monday by Sen. Jose Javier Rodriguez, D-Miami. He proposes a sweeping ban on semi-automatic firearms, including AR-15s, sold in Florida.

If Rodriguez's amendment is rejected, the gun lobby will take credit, as it has for every attempt to block gun control in Florida for years.

The bills before the Senate Rules Committee Monday — SPB 7022, 7024 and 7026 — will raise the legal age for purchasing any firearm in Florida, impose a three-day waiting period for most gun purchases, increase school safety measures and include the words "seize and hold firearms" from persons deemed to be dangerous to themselves and others. A similar package will be taken up by the House Rules Committee on Tuesday.

Polling reveals a gap

An internal poll conducted last week by a political committee for Senate Republicans found that two-thirds of all Florida voters, including a majority of gun owners, support an assault weapons ban. But the package introduced by House and Senate leaders last week, and a similar proposal advanced by Gov. Rick Scott, won't include the ban, despite the appeals by the Parkland students in rallies in Tallahassee last week.

http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/02/26/florida-senators-to-vote-today-on-gun-measures-will-it-include-assault-weapons-ban/

If you're in Florida call your reps
 

77zach

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The GOP passed their "gun control" package in the Senate 20-18. It will now go to the House. Once signed by the governor, 18-20 year olds will have their right to buy a firearm stripped, there will be a 3 day waiting period for everyone else, and bump stocks will be banned. Owners will be insta felons.
 

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Thank you for the list -- very percipient

He's trying to keep his voting constituents happy.

First thing the snow birds (those not from here) pack up when moving south are the very things we detest so much. Reminds me of the smell of an ill kept outhouse.
From arfcom https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Florida-senators-to-vote-today-on-GUN-CONTROL-UPDATE-AWB-trigger-locks-registration-UBCs/5-2085468/

Committee Meeting at 2:30 PM

----------------------------------

Amendments:

Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Amendment 772096 makes the Dept of Ag transfer 10% of all fees from CCW permits be spent on repaying Trauma Centers for the medical costs of caring for patients of "Mass Shootings". The term "mass shooting" means an incident in which four or more people are killed or injured by firearms in one or more locations in close proximity.

Amendment 411458 is the Assault Weapons Ban.

Amendment 812202 makes possession of a Bump Stock a Felony.

Amendment 697008 makes a requirement to have a safe, trigger lock, etc... basically you cannot keep a gun unlocked or loaded in your home.

Amendment 197998 makes registration legal in Florida.

Amendment 504798 makes universal background checks and ends private sales.
----------------------------------

HELP FIGHT. CALL THEM ALL!

Here is the makeup of the Rules Committee.

Chair: Senator Lizbeth Benacquisto (R) - PRO GUN
Vice Chair: Senator Oscar Braynon II (D) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Lauren Book (D) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Rob Bradley (R) - unknown
Senator Jeff Brandes (R) - unknown
Senator Anitere Flores (R) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Bill Galvano (R) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Tom Lee (R) - unknown
Senator Bill Montford (D) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Keith Perry (R) - unknown
Senator Jose Javier Rodriguez (D) - ANTI-GUN
Senator Wilton Simpson (R) - unknown
Senator Perry E. Thurston, Jr. (D) - ANTI-GUN

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If you're in Florida call your reps
This was an awesome and informative list. Thank you both, Grapeshot and Miami_JBT.
 

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Locks & Liberty

The GOP passed their "gun control" package in the Senate 20-18. It will now go to the House. Once signed by the governor, 18-20 year olds will have their right to buy a firearm stripped, there will be a 3 day waiting period for everyone else, and bump stocks will be banned. Owners will be insta felons.
What is the likelihood of the (BS 4th and 14th amendment violating) locking the gun inside your own home amendment making its way to Voldemort?
 

77zach

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What is the likelihood of the (BS 4th and 14th amendment violating) locking the gun inside your own home amendment making its way to Voldemort?
Zero. Only GOP sponsored "gun control" will likely go through, which controls are mentioned above. Contact House Reps immediately to stop the gun control bill.

Please ensure you include the following subject line -

"Oppose SB 7026 - Public Safety"

larry.ahern@myfloridahouse.gov
ben.albritton@myfloridahouse.gov
thad.altman@myfloridahouse.gov
brian.avila@myfloridahouse.gov
halsey.beshears@myfloridahouse.gov
michael.bileca@myfloridahouse.gov
jim.boyd@myfloridahouse.gov
jason.brodeur@myfloridahouse.gov
daniel.burgess@myfloridahouse.gov
colleen.burton@myfloridahouse.gov
cord.byrd@myfloridahouse.gov
matt.caldwell@myfloridahouse.gov
charles.clemons@myfloridahouse.gov
richard.corcoran@myfloridahouse.gov
robert.cortes@myfloridahouse.gov
travis.cummings@myfloridahouse.gov
jose.diaz@myfloridahouse.gov
manny.diaz@myfloridahouse.gov
byron.donalds@myfloridahouse.gov
brad.drake@myfloridahouse.gov
jay.fant@myfloridahouse.gov
randy.fine@myfloridahouse.gov
jason.fischer@myfloridahouse.gov
heather.fitzenhagen@myfloridahouse.gov
julio.gonzalez@myfloridahouse.gov
tom.goodson@myfloridahouse.gov
erin.grall@myfloridahouse.gov
james.grant@myfloridahouse.gov
michael.grant@myfloridahouse.gov
joe.gruters@myfloridahouse.gov
bill.hager@myfloridahouse.gov
gayle.harrell@myfloridahouse.gov
shawn.harrison@myfloridahouse.gov
blaise.ingoglia@myfloridahouse.gov
clay.ingram@myfloridahouse.gov
sam.killebrew@myfloridahouse.gov
mike.larosa@myfloridahouse.gov
chris.latvala@myfloridahouse.gov
thomas.leek@myfloridahouse.gov
marylynn.magar@myfloridahouse.gov
amber.mariano@myfloridahouse.gov
ralph.massullo@myfloridahouse.gov
stan.mcclain@myfloridahouse.gov
larry.metz@myfloridahouse.gov
mike.miller@myfloridahouse.gov
george.moraitis@myfloridahouse.gov
jeanette.nunez@myfloridahouse.gov
jose.oliva@myfloridahouse.gov
bobby.payne@myfloridahouse.gov
kathleen.peters@myfloridahouse.gov
cary.pigman@myfloridahouse.gov
scott.plakon@myfloridahouse.gov
rene.plasencia@myfloridahouse.gov
mel.ponder@myfloridahouse.gov
elizabeth.porter@myfloridahouse.gov
jake.raburn@myfloridahouse.gov
holly.raschein@myfloridahouse.gov
paul.renner@myfloridahouse.gov
ray.rodrigues@myfloridahouse.gov
bob.rommel@myfloridahouse.gov
rick.roth@myfloridahouse.gov
david.santiago@myfloridahouse.gov
ross.spano@myfloridahouse.gov
chris.sprowls@myfloridahouse.gov
cyndi.stevenson@myfloridahouse.gov
charlie.stone@myfloridahouse.gov
jennifer.sullivan@myfloridahouse.gov
jackie.toledo@myfloridahouse.gov
carlos.trujillo@myfloridahouse.gov
jay.trumbull@myfloridahouse.gov
frank.white@myfloridahouse.gov
jayer.williamson@myfloridahouse.gov
yarborough.clay@myfloridahouse.gov
joseph.abruzzo@myfloridahouse.gov
ramon.alexander@myfloridahouse.gov
bruce.antone@myfloridahouse.gov
robert.asencio@myfloridahouse.gov
loranne.ausley@myfloridahouse.gov
lori.berman@myfloridahouse.gov
kamia.brown@myfloridahouse.gov
john.cortes@myfloridahouse.gov
janet.cruz@myfloridahouse.gov
kimberly.daniels@myfloridahouse.gov
tracie.davis@myfloridahouse.gov
ben.diamond@myfloridahouse.gov
bobby.dubose@myfloridahouse.gov
nicholas.duran@myfloridahouse.gov
katie.edwards@myfloridahouse.gov
joseph.geller@myfloridahouse.gov
margret.good@myfloridahouse.gov
roy.hardemon@myfloridahouse.gov
patrick.henry@myfloridahouse.gov
kristin.jacobs@myfloridahouse.gov
al.jacquet@myfloridahouse.gov
evan.jenne@myfloridahouse.gov
shevrin.jones@myfloridahouse.gov
larry.lee@myfloridahouse.gov
kionne.mcghee@myfloridahouse.gov
amy.mercado@myfloridahouse.gov
jared.moskowitz@myfloridahouse.gov
wengay.newton@myfloridahouse.gov
sharon.pritchett@myfloridahouse.gov
david.richardson@myfloridahouse.gov
barrington.russell@myfloridahouse.gov
sean.shaw@myfloridahouse.gov
david.silvers@myfloridahouse.gov
emily.slosberg@myfloridahouse.gov
carlos.smith@myfloridahouse.gov
cynthia.stafford@myfloridahouse.gov
richard.stark@myfloridahouse.gov
barbara.watson@myfloridahouse.gov
clovis.watson@myfloridahouse.gov
matt.willhite@myfloridahouse.gov
patricia.williams@myfloridahouse.gov
 

hammer6

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dang so much for all the work Florida Open Carry has been doing. (sarcasm).
 

HP995

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77, is that FL House email list based on current data? I sent a message to the first 20 and already got 5 permanent failures.
 

HP995

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Some kind of auto "correction" in your posted list that messed up a lot of emails, for example chuck became charles. Probably from using a word processor. Here's a list from NRA:

larry.ahern@myfloridahouse.gov,
ben.albritton@myfloridahouse.gov,
Thad.Altman@myfloridahouse.gov
Bryan.Avila@myfloridahouse.gov,
Halsey.Beshears@myfloridahouse.gov,
michael.bileca@myfloridahouse.gov,
jim.boyd@myfloridahouse.gov,
jason.brodeur@myfloridahouse.gov,
danny.burgess@myfloridahouse.gov,
Colleen.Burton@myfloridahouse.gov,
cord.byrd@myfloridahouse.gov,
matt.caldwell@myfloridahouse.gov,
Chuck.Clemons@myfloridahouse.gov,
neil.combee@myfloridahouse.gov,
richard.corcoran@myfloridahouse.gov,
Bob.Cortes@myfloridahouse.gov,
travis.cummings@myfloridahouse.gov,
jose.diaz@myfloridahouse.gov,
Manny.Diaz@myfloridahouse.gov,
Byron.Donalds@myfloridahouse.gov,

brad.drake@myfloridahouse.gov,
Dane.Eagle@myfloridahouse.gov,
Jay.Fant@myfloridahouse.gov,
Randy.Fine@myfloridahouse.gov,
Jason.Fischer@myfloridahouse.gov,
Heather.Fitzenhagen@myfloridahouse.gov,
Julio.Gonzalez@myfloridahouse.gov,
tom.goodson@myfloridahouse.gov,
Erin.Grall@myfloridahouse.gov,
james.grant@myfloridahouse.gov,
Michael.Grant@myfloridahouse.gov,
Joe.Gruters@myfloridahouse.gov,
bill.hager@myfloridahouse.gov,
Don.Hahnfeldt@myfloridahouse.gov,
gayle.harrell@myfloridahouse.gov,
shawn.harrison@myfloridahouse.gov,
Blaise.Ingoglia@myfloridahouse.gov,
clay.ingram@myfloridahouse.gov,
Sam.Killebrew@myfloridahouse.gov,
Mike.LaRosa@myfloridahouse.gov,

Chris.Latvala@myfloridahouse.gov,
Tom.Leek@myfloridahouse.gov,
MaryLynn.Magar@myfloridahouse.gov,
Amber.Mariano@myfloridahouse.gov,
Ralph.Massullo@myfloridahouse.gov,
Stan.McClain@myfloridahouse.gov,
Lawrence.McClure@myfloridahouse.gov,
larry.metz@myfloridahouse.gov,
Alex.Miller@myfloridahouse.gov,
Mike.Miller@myfloridahouse.gov,
george.moraitis@myfloridahouse.gov,
jeanette.nunez@myfloridahouse.gov,
jose.oliva@myfloridahouse.gov,
Bobby.Olszewski@myfloridahouse.gov,
Daniel.Perez@myfloridahouse.gov,
bobby.payne@myfloridahouse.gov,
Kathleen.Peters@myfloridahouse.gov,
Cary.Pigman@myfloridahouse.gov,
Scott.Plakon@myfloridahouse.gov,
Rene.Plasencia@myfloridahouse.gov,

mel.ponder@myfloridahouse.gov,
elizabeth.porter@myfloridahouse.gov,
Jake.Raburn@myfloridahouse.gov,
Holly.Raschein@myfloridahouse.gov,
dan.raulerson@myfloridahouse.gov,
Paul.Renner@myfloridahouse.gov,
Ray.Rodrigues@myfloridahouse.gov,
Bob.Rommel@myfloridahouse.gov,
Rick.Roth@myfloridahouse.gov,
david.santiago@myfloridahouse.gov,
ross.spano@myfloridahouse.gov,
Chris.Sprowls@myfloridahouse.gov,
cyndi.stevenson@myfloridahouse.gov,
Charlie.Stone@myfloridahouse.gov,
Jennifer.Sullivan@myfloridahouse.gov,
Jackie.Toledo@myfloridahouse.gov,
carlos.trujillo@myfloridahouse.gov,
Jay.Trumbull@myfloridahouse.gov,
frank.white@myfloridahouse.gov,
jayer.williamson@myfloridahouse.gov,
clay.yarborough@myfloridahouse.gov,
 

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whew, tks hp995, here i thought it was a conspiracy the way the outbound mail was ping’g back at me!

i guess if at first you don’t succeed applys.
 

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Don't know why so many are publishing/posting these lengthy lists when a single link will accomplish the same thing w/o forcing everyone to scroll through a wall of text.
 
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Could someone tell me why 18 would be the magic age for responsible gun ownership? The same people who think it is terrible to raise the "legal" age to 21 don't seem to have any problem with the other chronological age limitations on so many other things.

Responsible adulthood is not a matter of chronological age, but of so many things involved in how a person is raised, taught, given responsibility on an ongoing basis as they grow up. They don't magically become "adults" on a certain birthday, by any means.

The central problem now is that the "schools" systems strive to make all children permanent infants, dependent on others for everything possible, and seriously indoctrinated with the idea that everything is someone else's responsibility, all failure is someone else's fault. The lack of critical thinking and evidence based decision making is endemic. Has little or nothing to do with chronological age.

I've known some very wise, responsible 12 year olds. I've known far too many irresponsible, mal-educated nitwits in their 50s and 60s. It's not a new problem.
 

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Don't know why so many are publishing/posting these lengthy lists when a single link will accomplish the same thing w/o forcing everyone to scroll through a wall of text.
er, grape, you didn’t get the memo of OCDO’s contest of whoever posted the largest wall of text of non-nonsensical information would be your guest at some OCDO food outing in the near future?

i opted out cuz just taking you to a food venue wasn’t sufficent reward and felt the winner should take you to see & tour the spruce goose or even pay your way into the NRA’s firearm museum, ya know something of that magnitude. :cool:
 

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er, grape, you didn’t get the memo of OCDO’s contest of whoever posted the largest wall of text of non-nonsensical information would be your guest at some OCDO food outing in the near future?

i opted out cuz just taking you to a food venue wasn’t sufficent reward and felt the winner should take you to see & tour the spruce goose or even pay your way into the NRA’s firearm museum, ya know something of that magnitude. :cool:
 

HP995

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Not looking great:

House GOP leaders withholding budget earmarks from gun bill opponents
Marjory Stoneman Douglas families to Florida House: Pass the gun bill
So in listening to the FL House Democratic caucus & seeing yesterday’s GOP whip sheet, the gun bill is on pace to pass with at least 64 votes. They need 59
Ironic chance to be saved by the Dems?

House Democrats vote for caucus position against gun bill, but few think they can hold together
https://twitter.com/politicofl
 

77zach

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Oh, it will pass. This is the result when we just vote Republican and don't get involved with the primary. Not only will progress be stalled, we'll slowly lose ground. Pretty big blow to the right to bear arms in Florida today.
 
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