springfield 1911
Founder's Club Member
Video taken by leo , cars equiped with video recorder, anything recorded would already be in possession of the prosecutor.
So your comment to neoinarien is unfounded.
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Video taken by leo , cars equiped with video recorder, anything recorded would already be in possession of the prosecutor.
So your comment to neoinarien is unfounded.
SprayAndPray
Regular Member
How so if he was trying to figure out what the guys doing it have?
I would hardly call that an attack.... Hell , I doubt Neo would call that an attack.
springfield 1911
Founder's Club Member
This is the post that was deleted right?
Originally Posted by SprayAndPray
--Deleted by Moderator again---- enough said?--
I did'nt accuse your statement as an attack, I stated it (your statement) was unfounded.
Why was it deleted? I don't know
SprayAndPray
Regular Member
the fact is Neo is a prosecutor ....
it did not seem like an unreasonable question (if anything , it would qualify as a freindly barb that myself and him exchange so often)
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Doug Huffman
Banned
So you out him?
Welcome, Neoinarien! Better a prosecutor than a despicable slave. One of my sockpuppets has requested friendness. I'll do what I can to support your arguments.
SprayAndPray
Regular Member
he outed himself over at ARFCOM....
The fact remains , A prosecutor ( i do not know , or honestly care to know exactly where he works , but Madison is CERTIANLY not out of the question) starts asking about if the defendants in a case have a video of a police interaction that resulted in charges on a forum , and I have to question his motivations
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MKEgal
Regular Member
I think that once I get my FL & UT CCW licenses, I'll have one of those with me Just In Case I ever have another LEO interaction & they detain me.
A) they can ID me without hauling me to the hoosegow & running fingerprints
B) it's clear that I'm not a felon
Beyond that, I ain't sayin' nuthin' to em once they tell me the RAS for whatever crime I'm being detained for.
More on topic, I haven't seen any developments in the Madison 5 case(s). Weren't they due to be in court this week? Having nothing else to do with my time, I'd be happy to drive over & be supportive.
paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
Court is 10/27 at 9:30am. Waiting on word whether we are showing up or mailing in not-guilty plea.
1245A Defender
Regular Member
why
i dont understand getting both UT and FLA non resident permits!
a UT permit will get you open and concealed carry in minnisota,,,
FLA gets you concealed in two open carry states, kansas and new mexico.., but doesnt cover minnisota.
and an odd twist is that FLA is one of six states that dont honor non resident permits!
so im not sure if your FLA is valid there.
i have my washington resident permit, and FLA honor that so i have not researched in depth.
i dont understand getting both UT and FLA non resident permits!
a UT permit will get you open and concealed carry in minnisota,,,
FLA gets you concealed in two open carry states, kansas and new mexico.., but doesnt cover minnisota.
and an odd twist is that FLA is one of six states that dont honor non resident permits!
so im not sure if your FLA is valid there.
i have my washington resident permit, and FLA honor that so i have not researched in depth.
A non-resident permit issued by the state of Florida is most assuredly good in Florida.
What they do NOT recognize is non-resident permits issued by other states.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
1245A Defender
Regular Member
well,,,
thanx for your cite,, i have read this site before,.
it is NOT clearly written that FLA would honor their own NON resident permit!!
it is clearly written that FLA doesnt honor NON resident permits!
QUESTION 4. I have a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm License, but I am not a legal resident of Florida. Can I travel to the states that recognize Florida licenses and still carry a concealed weapon?
Most of the reciprocity states will honor Florida non-resident permits; however, authorities in a number of states have informed us that there are specific provisions in their laws that restrict the terms of their mutual recognition agreements ONLY to the LICENSED RESIDENTS of other states. Therefore, those individuals who hold Florida licenses but who are not residents of Florida cannot carry concealed weapons in these states. Please take careful note of those states listed above that have a reference to Footnote 4 after them.
footnote 4 applies to the 6 states that do not honor non resident permits, of which florida is one.
there must be a more concise answer to this question.
of coarse it would make sense that they woud honor their own permit, but
the FACTS still are not clear.
i admit, it seems i am nit picking, but until it is clear, i will still worry about it.
thanx for your cite,, i have read this site before,.
it is NOT clearly written that FLA would honor their own NON resident permit!!
it is clearly written that FLA doesnt honor NON resident permits!
QUESTION 4. I have a Florida Concealed Weapon/Firearm License, but I am not a legal resident of Florida. Can I travel to the states that recognize Florida licenses and still carry a concealed weapon?
Most of the reciprocity states will honor Florida non-resident permits; however, authorities in a number of states have informed us that there are specific provisions in their laws that restrict the terms of their mutual recognition agreements ONLY to the LICENSED RESIDENTS of other states. Therefore, those individuals who hold Florida licenses but who are not residents of Florida cannot carry concealed weapons in these states. Please take careful note of those states listed above that have a reference to Footnote 4 after them.
footnote 4 applies to the 6 states that do not honor non resident permits, of which florida is one.
there must be a more concise answer to this question.
of coarse it would make sense that they woud honor their own permit, but
the FACTS still are not clear.
i admit, it seems i am nit picking, but until it is clear, i will still worry about it.
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
Why, sure its clear. You have to look up the reciprocity agreement in each state in which you want to travel and see if it recognizes Florida's non-resident permits.
Easy to understand; the hard part is looking them up. Personally, I would double-check the state police website in each state to see if the police are on-board and up to speed with whatever the reciprocity agreement says. Then I would print out a copy of the reciprocity agreement and keep it handy while in that state.
1245A Defender
Regular Member
huh?
the question still is: will Florida honor my NON resident Florida permit in Florida?
im not wondering about other states reciprocity!
your cite doesnt answer this question with any certainty.
telling me that "it is clear" is not adequate legal proof.
i have looked up reciprocity in all the possessions, washington DC, and the 50 states!
Therefore, those individuals who hold Florida licenses but who are not residents of Florida cannot carry concealed weapons in these states. Please take careful note of those states listed above that have a reference to Footnote 4 after them.
footnote 4 applies to the 6 states that do not honor non resident permits, of which florida is one.
point of fact, if i had a florida non resident permit, washington would honor it here,
BUT i am a resident of washington, so washington wont honor it!
florida will honor my washington resident permit, so im covered,
BUT thats not the question
the question still is: will Florida honor my NON resident Florida permit in Florida?
im not wondering about other states reciprocity!
your cite doesnt answer this question with any certainty.
telling me that "it is clear" is not adequate legal proof.
i have looked up reciprocity in all the possessions, washington DC, and the 50 states!
Therefore, those individuals who hold Florida licenses but who are not residents of Florida cannot carry concealed weapons in these states. Please take careful note of those states listed above that have a reference to Footnote 4 after them.
footnote 4 applies to the 6 states that do not honor non resident permits, of which florida is one.
point of fact, if i had a florida non resident permit, washington would honor it here,
BUT i am a resident of washington, so washington wont honor it!
florida will honor my washington resident permit, so im covered,
BUT thats not the question
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It is very clear that Florida honors their own state issued permit, whether to resident or non-resident - there is NO distinction in the validity between the two.
" Such licenses shall be valid throughout the state for a period of 7 years from the date of issuance. Any person in compliance with the terms of such license may carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm notwithstanding the provisions of s. 790.01."
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/in...ing=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html
Florida does not have, nor could possibly have, reciprocity with itself; therefore, reciprocity does not enter into the equation. In general, reciprocity is an agreement between two states to each accept/honor the other state's permit.
Simply put, you are taking something out of context and attempting to apply it where it does not belong.
1245A Defender
Regular Member
well,,,
now thats a cite i can dig my teeth into.
you have proved the answer to a question i couldnt fathom.
i appreciate your ability to dig out the mundane and finite!
i really do thank you for digging that out for me,
Such licenses shall be valid throughout the state for a period of 7 years from the date of issuance. Any person in compliance with the terms of such license may carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm notwithstanding the provisions of s. 790.01.
maybe ive learned from this. i hope i wont be such a bother in the future.
yata hey
now thats a cite i can dig my teeth into.
you have proved the answer to a question i couldnt fathom.
i appreciate your ability to dig out the mundane and finite!
i really do thank you for digging that out for me,
Such licenses shall be valid throughout the state for a period of 7 years from the date of issuance. Any person in compliance with the terms of such license may carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm notwithstanding the provisions of s. 790.01.
maybe ive learned from this. i hope i wont be such a bother in the future.
yata hey
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No bother glad to help - others have done the same for me.
Our strength lies in our numbers and diversity.
Doug Huffman
Banned
WooHoo! See the tangled web woven by 'permitting' deceit!
Only the blind OCDO-WI can still countenance permitting the RKABA.
Only the blind OCDO-WI can still countenance permitting the RKABA.
J.Gleason
Banned
I have to wonder, If it is night time and it is dark outside and this individual supposedly met the description of the suspect; How was the officer able to determine this? I mean through a dark vehicle window?
The story does not indicate that the officer had the victim identify the suspect in any way.
Seems to me that Madistan Police are just eager to solve a case so they just randomly pick a suspect or would that be their victim?
The story does not indicate that the officer had the victim identify the suspect in any way.
Seems to me that Madistan Police are just eager to solve a case so they just randomly pick a suspect or would that be their victim?
Flipper
Campaign Veteran
The increasing trend of states - Colorado, Florida, Michigan as examples - to not recognize non-resident permits issued by other states feeds directly into the anti's goal of limiting American citizens' right to self defense.
davegran
Regular Member
Yes you can....
Michigan is a bad example because a non-resident can open carry there. Citing Michigan statutes 28.422. 28.432, and 750.234d I'm legal to Open Carry with my non-resident Utah CCW license. It also looks like I could Open Carry in:
(a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
(b) A church or other house of religious worship.
(c) A court.
(d) A theatre.
(e) A sports arena.
(f) A day care center.
(g) A hospital.
(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
Michigan is a bad example because a non-resident can open carry there. Citing Michigan statutes 28.422. 28.432, and 750.234d I'm legal to Open Carry with my non-resident Utah CCW license. It also looks like I could Open Carry in:
(a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
(b) A church or other house of religious worship.
(c) A court.
(d) A theatre.
(e) A sports arena.
(f) A day care center.
(g) A hospital.
(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.