Let the "If more people in the theater were armed" discussion begin

[sudden valley gunner]

Let's not forget that 4 trained LEO
were killed rather brutally and quickly by a nut case in Lakewood.

Being prepared is great, but not always will we have time to react, or react properly.

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If they were so well trained why where they so situationally unaware?........

I make this point to point out....cops are no better than the average civilian.....actually if you look at statistics, the average citizens are better shots....

 

[Stretch]

Pretty much my point. Being trained didn't help them. It doesn't matter how good of a shot you may be, if you're not aware, you're dead.

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[BigDave]

Curious of the ones here saying they would engage which no doubt I would as well but take into consideration very little lighting along with the smoke or gas he threw to the large numbers of people rushing around you and yelling, screaming.

Take into consideration, at what distance could you expect to get a hit? remember very low light, smoke or gas, flicker of the movie screen, people rushing around and could likely create obstacles for you to advance toward the shooter, people running into you, how about your sights would you be able to use them? do you have a laser on your carry gun to help?

Another member posted about what if you hit someone else trying to get out? a very high probability as people could easily be running between you and the shooter and they have not a clue you are trying to stop the blood shed.

If you have family or even young children with you? Do you leave them and engage the target or get low and wait? There are many more circumstances that one will have to answer in mere seconds.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Curious of the ones here saying they would engage which no doubt I would as well but take into consideration very little lighting along with the smoke or gas he threw to the large numbers of people rushing around you and yelling, screaming.

Take into consideration, at what distance could you expect to get a hit? remember very low light, smoke or gas, flicker of the movie screen, people rushing around and could likely create obstacles for you to advance toward the shooter, people running into you, how about your sights would you be able to use them? do you have a laser on your carry gun to help?

Another member posted about what if you hit someone else trying to get out? a very high probability as people could easily be running between you and the shooter and they have not a clue you are trying to stop the blood shed.

If you have family or even young children with you? Do you leave them and engage the target or get low and wait? There are many more circumstances that one will have to answer in mere seconds.

Good questions and thoughts for people to ponder "just in case".

A bank I frequent was robbed yesterday and they haven't caught the guy. I wonder what would happen if I was there......well since I OC he probably wouldn't have robbed the bank....but still......

For me it's cover, make sure family is safe and strategize (made up word I guess) an engagement.....and this can all happen with seconds.....just gotta think fast. Bring the fight to the perp, innocent by standers is a big consideration, I would try to make sure I would have a clear shot, but.....if it was to save many from getting hit I am taking the shot, maybe at least he'd move to concentrate on me rather than the others.

 

[tombrewster421]

Curious of the ones here saying they would engage which no doubt I would as well but take into consideration very little lighting along with the smoke or gas he threw to the large numbers of people rushing around you and yelling, screaming.

Take into consideration, at what distance could you expect to get a hit? remember very low light, smoke or gas, flicker of the movie screen, people rushing around and could likely create obstacles for you to advance toward the shooter, people running into you, how about your sights would you be able to use them? do you have a laser on your carry gun to help?

Another member posted about what if you hit someone else trying to get out? a very high probability as people could easily be running between you and the shooter and they have not a clue you are trying to stop the blood shed.

If you have family or even young children with you? Do you leave them and engage the target or get low and wait? There are many more circumstances that one will have to answer in mere seconds.

I knew there was a reason I got a tac-light/ laser on my gun.:banana:

 

[DeltaOps]

I knew there was a reason I got a tac-light/ laser on my gun.:banana:

Exactly. If I know I will be somewhere that may not have very much light, I strap on my leg holster and put my Tac light on my Glock. If weapons are not allowed, I simply do not go. Of course with very few exceptions. JBLM and federal buildings, but I stay away from them as much as I can.

Being a VET and having to deal with combat at night and under heavy fire, it is amazing to see how much one can get confused. Your normal average American Citizen does not have the training in dark environments not to mention while under heavy fire while vision is obscured.

I believe if the theatre would not have had a no gun policy, I believe the incedent would have never happened.

I also believe that most American Citizens are way to complacent in our own surroundings. (why not, this is our land)

I also believe that if a law abiding citizen sees a no weapons sign, they think they are safe. (they are wrong)

No matter what happens in our daily routine, we will never be safe from criminals unless we take action. We must continue to train under stressful situations. In the night as well as day, when our vision is obscured and what not.

Situational Awareness is a must.

Never stop training your mind. One must be able to act quickly and smart.

I do not know about any of you, but what I do know is that if I would have been in that theatre and I would have seen someone prop the door open, I would have shut it. I have done it before. I do not know what they are thinking, but at the time, I was thinking, HEY I paid for the movie and if they think they are going to sneak friends in, I do not think so. Also, nobody mentions the fact that when the door was propped open, why disdnt any of the employees check the doors during the time it was open (one can only speculate) I am sure some policies to employees will change.

Movie theatres make enough money that they can have at least one employer in each room watching the exit doors.

Either way, many of things could have been done to prevent this, but that is the problem with society. It takes a tradgety for some kind of action to actually take place.

 

[BigDave]

I knew there was a reason I got a tac-light/ laser on my gun.:banana:

The very reason why I have Crimson Laser Grips on my carry gun and what is nice about it is there is no extra holster needed nor have to flip a switch on and off when using.

 

[jolly__roger]

The very reason why I have Crimson Laser Grips on my carry gun and what is nice about it is there is no extra holster needed nor have to flip a switch on and off when using.

Now that's nice! Might have to put one of those on my birthday wish list.

 

[tombrewster421]

Exactly. If I know I will be somewhere that may not have very much light, I strap on my leg holster and put my Tac light on my Glock. If weapons are not allowed, I simply do not go. Of course with very few exceptions. JBLM and federal buildings, but I stay away from them as much as I can.

Being a VET and having to deal with combat at night and under heavy fire, it is amazing to see how much one can get confused. Your normal average American Citizen does not have the training in dark environments not to mention while under heavy fire while vision is obscured.

I believe if the theatre would not have had a no gun policy, I believe the incedent would have never happened.

I also believe that most American Citizens are way to complacent in our own surroundings. (why not, this is our land)

I also believe that if a law abiding citizen sees a no weapons sign, they think they are safe. (they are wrong)

No matter what happens in our daily routine, we will never be safe from criminals unless we take action. We must continue to train under stressful situations. In the night as well as day, when our vision is obscured and what not.

Situational Awareness is a must.

Never stop training your mind. One must be able to act quickly and smart.

I do not know about any of you, but what I do know is that if I would have been in that theatre and I would have seen someone prop the door open, I would have shut it. I have done it before. I do not know what they are thinking, but at the time, I was thinking, HEY I paid for the movie and if they think they are going to sneak friends in, I do not think so. Also, nobody mentions the fact that when the door was propped open, why disdnt any of the employees check the doors during the time it was open (one can only speculate) I am sure some policies to employees will change.

Movie theatres make enough money that they can have at least one employer in each room watching the exit doors.

Either way, many of things could have been done to prevent this, but that is the problem with society. It takes a tradgety for some kind of action to actually take place.

Honestly, I think a fire exit door should be just that. For fires. People shouldn't be able to just go prop the door open to slip out for a stupid phone call. They should put alarms on the fire doors like so many other businesses do. The alarms are there to prevent people from shoplifting or sneaking things or people in.

 

[tombrewster421]

The very reason why I have Crimson Laser Grips on my carry gun and what is nice about it is there is no extra holster needed nor have to flip a switch on and off when using.

Do you also carry a flashlight? The laser cannot help you to identify your target in a low light situation, only points to where the bullet will go. Unless you know where the light switch is hidden behind the curtains, you're going to have a hell of a time figuring out where to point your gun without a flashlight.

In no way am I trying to be condescending. Just offering food for thought.

 

[BigDave]

Do you also carry a flashlight? The laser cannot help you to identify your target in a low light situation, only points to where the bullet will go. Unless you know where the light switch is hidden behind the curtains, you're going to have a hell of a time figuring out where to point your gun without a flashlight.

In no way am I trying to be condescending. Just offering food for thought.

Seldom do I carry a flashlight but it is something I will be in pocket or on belt when going to the theater from now on.