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Iowa Gun Owners - Take Action! Disturbing Anti-Gun Rights Legislation Being Pushed by NRA in Iowa

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Max G wrote:
"Surprising" that you were willing totellmore (though it is still not accurate)once it was clear that someone else was there besides you." SS

Yeah, I only mentioned that there were over 200 people there, with over 50 at the podium for a Q & A session Regarding The Bill.

Again, more unfounded attacks and distortions from Straight Shooter.

Question: are you really the best that Iowa Carry and the NRA has to send? Because if that is true, it is really no wonder at all that they are able to get their "mirmydonmembership" to support this anti-gun laden piece of trash bill . .

"Yeah, I only mentioned that there were over 200 people there" . . .DUH!. . . I was talking about MY presence at the event . . . . Oh . . . never mind . . . I'm quitecertain that youcan't getit anyway. I would make more progress talking to a half ripe watermelon.You are so right . . . there really IS no possibility of having a reasonable debate with you. . .for that, you would have to have the abilityto reason.

But thanks for one thing . . . this is about themost funI have had all day . . . Imean it . . you made my day. . .and I didn't even have to insult you with words like "dufus," "witless," "clueless,"etc., (even though it wasVERY tempting . . . Grape - if you are watching . . . I am trying to improve . . . but progress is slow!)

Take good care and thanks again for the entertainment!

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Well folks, you can now see what Straight Shooter and his group at IGO is all about.
 

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I find this funny.

Paul Dorr files suit against an Iowa Sheriff for refusing to renew his permit to carry, due to bad behavior on his part. He files a premature lawsuit that is badly written by attorneys who are not 2nd amendment experienced attorneys.

Paul goes to IowaCarry.org and asks for help and assistance. Iowa Carry's membership digs into Paul's past and realizes that he his PTC revoked for questionable behavior. People call Paul on it. Paul calls IowaCarry and it's membership names. Paul gets banned. Aaron Dorr (relative of Paul) creates Iowa Gun Owners to attack Iowa Carry and the NRA, since both of them refused to help Paul with his suit. IGO whips up a frenzy calling IC anti-gun.

Is this about civil liberties, or getting back at IC for hurting the Dorr family's feelings?
 

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Gray Peterson wrote:
I find this funny.

Paul Dorr files suit against an Iowa Sheriff for refusing to renew his permit to carry, due to bad behavior on his part. He files a premature lawsuit that is badly written by attorneys who are not 2nd amendment experienced attorneys.

Paul goes to IowaCarry.org and asks for help and assistance. Iowa Carry's membership digs into Paul's past and realizes that he his PTC revoked for questionable behavior. People call Paul on it. Paul calls IowaCarry and it's membership names. Paul gets banned. Aaron Dorr (relative of Paul) creates Iowa Gun Owners to attack Iowa Carry and the NRA, since both of them refused to help Paul with his suit. IGO whips up a frenzy calling IC anti-gun.

Is this about civil liberties, or getting back at IC for hurting the Dorr family's feelings?


Don't worry GP . . . I forwarded your sillychallenge to Iowa Gun Owners general email boxsothat they can respond if they want to. . . sheesh . . . how many times do I have to tell you guys that I am not a Dorr, or a person in the leadership of IGO?

Oh well . . . why would anyone want to work on a better concealed carry bill in Iowa when they can sit around and throw rocks at each other, right?

Nice job . . .

BTW - just why the hell DO you care about Iowa so much when you live in Washington State? . . . is there some reason you just can't handle the notion that Iowan's might just want to have a say in the laws they have to live under? Do you want me to come to Washington State and start lobbying for better gun-control there?


Oh yeah . . . and toall you "we can't divide the gun community" lemmings . . . what say you about this? Is this not "divisive of the gun community?"


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Gray Peterson wrote:
I find this funny.

Paul Dorr files suit against an Iowa Sheriff for refusing to renew his permit to carry, due to bad behavior on his part. He files a premature lawsuit that is badly written by attorneys who are not 2nd amendment experienced attorneys.

Paul goes to IowaCarry.org and asks for help and assistance. Iowa Carry's membership digs into Paul's past and realizes that he his PTC revoked for questionable behavior. People call Paul on it. Paul calls IowaCarry and it's membership names. Paul gets banned. Aaron Dorr (relative of Paul) creates Iowa Gun Owners to attack Iowa Carry and the NRA, since both of them refused to help Paul with his suit. IGO whips up a frenzy calling IC anti-gun.

Is this about civil liberties, or getting back at IC for hurting the Dorr family's feelings?


Hey wow! Thanks GP! . . . IGO actually forwarded my email to Paul Dorr! and he alreadyresponded to your tripe . . . that is pretty cool! Wow . . . I get to know "famous people" by doing this . . . really . . thanks for the opportunity to get to know these guys!

Anyway, here is his response that he emailed to me (I like the last part the best!):

GP: "I find this funny. Paul Dorr files suit against an Iowa Sheriff for refusing to renew his permit to carry, due to bad behavior on his part."

PD: "Not true"

GP: "He files a premature lawsuit that is badly written by attorneys who are not 2nd amendment experienced attorneys."

PD: "Not true and the law firm has won 15 out of their 16 lawsuits in Federal court on civil liberties fights including the fairly famous Republican Party of MN vs. White where they won in front of the US Supreme Court."

GP: "Paul goes to IowaCarry.org and asks for help and assistance."

PD: "Not true. Never asked these clowns for anything. They started lying about me and I later forced them to print a retraction."

GP: "Iowa Carry's membership digs into Paul's past and realizes that he his PTC revoked for questionable behavior."]

PD: "Not true at all." (note from SS to GP: SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIM! AND I MEAN DO IT!)

GP: "People call Paul on it." ]

PD: "Who?" (note from SS to GP: Yes . . WHO?! SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIM!)

GP: "Paul calls IowaCarry and it's membership names."

PD: "Not true. Iowa Carry slandered me and later publicly apologized for it."

GP: "Paul gets banned."

PD: "After they apologized, theyre-instated me."

GP: "Aaron Dorr (relative of Paul) creates Iowa Gun Owners to attack Iowa Carry and the NRA, since both of them refused to help Paul with his suit."

PD: "Not true. Never spoke with either of them about supporting my lawsuit…we are doing just fine without them. Aaron decided to start IGO when he saw the leadership void in the state."

GP: "IGO whips up a frenzy calling IC anti-gun."

PD: "Not true." (note from SS to GP: He is right . . . that was me!!! Yahoo!!)

GP: "Is this about civil liberties, or getting back at IC for hurting the Dorr family's feelings?"


PD "You sir, are a liar and won’t advance the 2[suP]nd[/suP]. Amd. in Iowa using such tactics."

And there you have it . . . yes . . . I take FULL responsibility for calling the NRA/IC bill anti-gun . . . simply because it is true. And you just know the abovecame from Paul Dorr, because I would not have let you off so easily . . . but he must be a busy man.

(Let's see . . . can you say "Lautenberg" . . . ."Brady style waiting periods" . . . "Veterans disarmament" . . . "taking away the permit freedoms of 18-21 year old who are subject to the draft," etc., etc. etc. . . Yup! anti-gun!)
 

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"I have tried to pursuade IGO to remove or modifythe "Class D felony conviction for intent" language from their bill" Straight Shooter



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Wow! Wanting convicted felons to carry guns speaks volumes about Straight Shooter.

No wonder he is pushing so hard for a Bill with no Background Checks.



 

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Max G wrote:
"I have tried to pursuade IGO to remove or modifythe "Class D felony conviction for intent" language from their bill" Straight Shooter



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Wow! Wanting convicted felons to carry guns speaks volumes about Straight Shooter.

No wonder he is pushing so hard for a Bill with no Background Checks.




Thanks Maxie for once again showing you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about . . . I understand that you don't read the bills . . . you have made that patently clear.

But, on the outside chance that you happen to be able to read a sentence and understand a cogent thought (I won't hold my breath though), I will correct you once again on what the bill actually said and did not say . . . and what I actually said, not what your apparentlydrug induced progeric state of mind says:

The bill makes it a Class "D" felony to carry a gun with "intent" to commit a crime with a gun. . . . it does not say "convicted felons should be able to carry a gun."

Is there any possibility that you understand the difference between these two things?

Also, for "Mr. NRA" here, we will restate the second amendment in apparently what is "official NRA form:"

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed . . . as long as they can pass a background check."

Better Maxie? I hope so . . . we all need to conform to NRA standards and what you say as their offical spokesperson.

Thanks for more absolutely enlightening thought though!

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Wow.

"straight shooter" and "IA farmboy" must apparently be the same person. The more I read this guy's posts, I question where my money went when I donated to IGO.

If I had known these types of thoughts and comments were those the IGO held as true and accurate, I would have never given them $50 at the gun show last year.

The lack of responsibility to IGO members, Iowans, and the 2A here is troubling. I was sent an email from Aaron Dorr at IGO last week that shows Mike Gronstal (D) throwing petitions on the floor. Very poor action I must say. But what kind of ambush did the IGO set up for that? I'd like to think Dorr asked nicely, but now I question what he said to get this reaction. Having a camera waiting in hiding to capture the moment? Coincidence? Nope.

I can tell you with this kind of "honor" and action the IGO would be wise to savor my $50. I will no longer associate with them.

Go NRA! I'm glad they are pushing this issue so hard.

I am very disappointed.

Respectfully,



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the REAL straight shooter wrote

"straight shooter" and "IA farmboy" must apparently be the same person.



I don't think so.I've read all of these posts and I like IA Farmboy. Can't say the same for ss, to put it mildly.
 

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the REAL straight shooter wrote:
Wow.

"straight shooter" and "IA farmboy" must apparently be the same person. The more I read this guy's posts, I question where my money went when I donated to IGO.

If I had known these types of thoughts and comments were those the IGO held as true and accurate, I would have never given them $50 at the gun show last year.

The lack of responsibility to IGO members, Iowans, and the 2A here is troubling. I was sent an email from Aaron Dorr at IGO last week that shows Mike Gronstal (D) throwing petitions on the floor. Very poor action I must say. But what kind of ambush did the IGO set up for that? I'd like to think Dorr asked nicely, but now I question what he said to get this reaction. Having a camera waiting in hiding to capture the moment? Coincidence? Nope.

I can tell you with this kind of "honor" and action the IGO would be wise to savor my $50. I will no longer associate with them.

Go NRA! I'm glad they are pushing this issue so hard.

I am very disappointed.

Respectfully,



the REAL straight shooter

"REAL Pea shooter" -

It really comes as no surprise that you Iowa Carry myrmidonswould defend Gronstal . . . it simply fitswith everything else you do all too well.

Does your "magnanimous $50 contribution" keep getting bigger the more you publicly profess your "unbelieveably generous" gift?

Don't worry . . . give yourcontribution-to-end-all-contributionsto the patsies over at IowaCarry. . . I am sure that IGO would rather have MEN seeking freedom to support them. IC can use the money to hire another myrmidon . . . or maybe "McClownahan" needs a new haircut.

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SigSauer232 wrote:
I've read all of these posts and I like IA Farmboy. Can't say the same for ss, to put it mildly.

I agree . . . IA Farmboy is way too nice for the likes of me . . . . It takes "down and dirty" to do real battle with freedom thieves . . . you have to be someone who isn't afraid to reveal the real . . .ugly . . .cold . . . hard . . . . naked . . . truth.

While you are at it, please tell "McClownahan" to send over some more ICmyrmidons! This thing won't bereally warming upuntil I am taking on at least 5 or 6 of you Iowa Carry myrmidons at once!

Oh also, when you guys are done with the little "cat-and-mouse game," let me know when you are ready to start debating your piece of trash legislation . . . I hope you didn't really come all this way for just this paltry and sissy showing. . . otherwise, what a let down you guys are.

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SigSauer232 wrote:
the REAL straight shooter wrote

"straight shooter" and "IA farmboy" must apparently be the same person.

 

I don't think so.  I've read all of these posts and I like IA Farmboy.  Can't say the same for ss, to put it mildly. 

I'll take that as a compliment, SigSauer232. I can assure everyone that I am not Straight Shooter. First is that I have a better grasp of proper grammar and, second, I don't feel the need to resort to personal attacks to make my point.
 

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Straight_Shooter wrote:
Gray Peterson wrote:
I find this funny.

Paul Dorr files suit against an Iowa Sheriff for refusing to renew his permit to carry, due to bad behavior on his part. He files a premature lawsuit that is badly written by attorneys who are not 2nd amendment experienced attorneys.

Paul goes to IowaCarry.org and asks for help and assistance. Iowa Carry's membership digs into Paul's past and realizes that he his PTC revoked for questionable behavior. People call Paul on it. Paul calls IowaCarry and it's membership names. Paul gets banned. Aaron Dorr (relative of Paul) creates Iowa Gun Owners to attack Iowa Carry and the NRA, since both of them refused to help Paul with his suit. IGO whips up a frenzy calling IC anti-gun.

Is this about civil liberties, or getting back at IC for hurting the Dorr family's feelings?
Hey wow! Thanks GP! . . . IGO actually forwarded my email to Paul Dorr! and he alreadyresponded to your tripe . . . that is pretty cool! Wow . . . I get to know "famous people" by doing this . . . really . . thanks for the opportunity to get to know these guys!

Anyway, here is his response that he emailed to me (I like the last part the best!):
Dorr is talking to himself now!



And pats himself on the back.



Too funny.
 

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the REAL straight shooter wrote:
The lack of responsibility to IGO members, Iowans, and the 2A here is troubling. I was sent an email from Aaron Dorr at IGO last week that shows Mike Gronstal (D) throwing petitions on the floor. Very poor action I must say. But what kind of ambush did the IGO set up for that? I'd like to think Dorr asked nicely, but now I question what he said to get this reaction. Having a camera waiting in hiding to capture the moment? Coincidence? Nope.



the REAL straight shooter


How do we know what IGO said to Gronstal? How do we know what those 'petitions' actually were?



Why not capture the whole episode on video so we could hear both sides of the story and see if these were petitions, or 500 photocopies of one petition? And we could hear ifthe IGO provoked Gronstal in a typical IGO-like threatening manner, or if the IGO actuallyattempted to have a civil conversation with Gronstal.



Since there is zero credibility in the IGO, nothing they say now can be believed. The petitions, may just as well have been confetti, and maybe that's all they were.
 
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Straight_Shooter wrote:
the REAL straight shooter wrote:
Wow.

"straight shooter" and "IA farmboy" must apparently be the same person. The more I read this guy's posts, I question where my money went when I donated to IGO.

If I had known these types of thoughts and comments were those the IGO held as true and accurate, I would have never given them $50 at the gun show last year.

The lack of responsibility to IGO members, Iowans, and the 2A here is troubling. I was sent an email from Aaron Dorr at IGO last week that shows Mike Gronstal (D) throwing petitions on the floor. Very poor action I must say. But what kind of ambush did the IGO set up for that? I'd like to think Dorr asked nicely, but now I question what he said to get this reaction. Having a camera waiting in hiding to capture the moment? Coincidence? Nope.

I can tell you with this kind of "honor" and action the IGO would be wise to savor my $50. I will no longer associate with them.

Go NRA! I'm glad they are pushing this issue so hard.

I am very disappointed.

Respectfully,



the REAL straight shooter

"REAL Pea shooter" -

It really comes as no surprise that you Iowa Carry myrmidonswould defend Gronstal . . . it simply fitswith everything else you do all too well.

Does your "magnanimous $50 contribution" keep getting bigger the more you publicly profess your "unbelieveably generous" gift?

Don't worry . . . give yourcontribution-to-end-all-contributionsto the patsies over at IowaCarry. . . I am sure that IGO would rather have MEN seeking freedom to support them. IC can use the money to hire another myrmidon . . . or maybe "McClownahan" needs a new haircut.

SS

What is wrong with you? I support all you guys. I support the NRA, GOA, IGO, and IC. I give to all of you.

I write letters of support for ALL the good pieces of legislation that are firearm related and against those that aren't. The IGO sold me on their integrity, so I gave. I question the direction and actions of IGO for what I consider a bad decision, and you go nuts on me.

You've written frequently on here about getting together on a bill, but when ever something is spoken you don't like, you twist and bend and contort the issue all around.

I'd have given more money if i could afford it. At the time I wished it were more. You can bet your bottom dollar I won't give IGO a cent now. If you're really not one of the Dorr family, then so be it. You need to contact them through their site and ask them if they condone your behavior. I'm curious if they actually endorse this from you, assuming you're a member.

You're making Iowa look bad and as such, you're part of the problem and not that of a solution. Dividing the group might give you some weird genre of high self esteem, but you're doing the state and the good citizens therein a great disservice.

Start treating people the way you wish to be treated and let all this other garbage go.

Respectfully,



the REAL straight shooter
 

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the REALpea shooter wrote:
Straight_Shooter wrote:
the REALpea shooter wrote:
Wow.

"straight shooter" and "IA farmboy" must apparently be the same person. The more I read this guy's posts, I question where my money went when I donated to IGO.

If I had known these types of thoughts and comments were those the IGO held as true and accurate, I would have never given them $50 at the gun show last year.

The lack of responsibility to IGO members, Iowans, and the 2A here is troubling. I was sent an email from Aaron Dorr at IGO last week that shows Mike Gronstal (D) throwing petitions on the floor. Very poor action I must say. But what kind of ambush did the IGO set up for that? I'd like to think Dorr asked nicely, but now I question what he said to get this reaction. Having a camera waiting in hiding to capture the moment? Coincidence? Nope.

I can tell you with this kind of "honor" and action the IGO would be wise to savor my $50. I will no longer associate with them.

Go NRA! I'm glad they are pushing this issue so hard.

I am very disappointed.

Respectfully,



the REALpea shooter
It really comes as no surprise that you Iowa Carry myrmidonswould defend Gronstal . . . it simply fitswith everything else you do all too well.

Does your "magnanimous $50 contribution" keep getting bigger the more you publicly profess your "unbelieveably generous" gift?

Don't worry . . . give yourcontribution-to-end-all-contributionsto the patsies over at IowaCarry. . . I am sure that IGO would rather have MEN seeking freedom to support them. IC can use the money to hire another myrmidon . . . or maybe "McClownahan" needs a new haircut.

SS

What is wrong with you? I support all you guys. I support the NRA, GOA, IGO, and IC. I give to all of you.

I write letters of support for ALL the good pieces of legislation that are firearm related and against those that aren't. The IGO sold me on their integrity, so I gave. I question the direction and actions of IGO for what I consider a bad decision, and you go nuts on me.

You've written frequently on here about getting together on a bill, but when ever something is spoken you don't like, you twist and bend and contort the issue all around.

I'd have given more money if i could afford it. At the time I wished it were more. You can bet your bottom dollar I won't give IGO a cent now. If you're really not one of the Dorr family, then so be it. You need to contact them through their site and ask them if they condone your behavior. I'm curious if they actually endorse this from you, assuming you're a member.

You're making Iowa look bad and as such, you're part of the problem and not that of a solution. Dividing the group might give you some weird genre of high self esteem, but you're doing the state and the good citizens therein a great disservice.

Start treating people the way you wish to be treated and let all this other garbage go.

Respectfully,



the REALpea shooter





RPS myrmidon -


What you have said herespeaks volumes aboutyour predetermined loyalties, and where the truth really is.

Youjoined thisforum only a few days ago (right aftera link to thisthread was posted on the Iowa Carryforum) . .

Your first acthere: you enter the forum by selecting a nom-de-plume that is quite obviously intended tomockmine (not that you can . . . the truth always speaks for itself). That is your choice, and I think it is probably a good myrmidon, ad hominemtactic, suited to the task of creating distraction . . . . none-the-less, you did it as an antagonistic act . . . pure and simple . . . so don't play this "I'm on everybody's side tune" . . You came here to fight for Iowa Carry, and attack me from the beginning. You are an Iowa Carry myrmidon who has no interest whatsoever in understanding what is really going on or what is at stake. If you were, rather than this, you would have asked for discussion on what is repugnant in the bill, and how it can be corrected. . . you did not;ergo, your agenda is exposed.

On your second post, you attack IGO for the Gronstal incident . . . let's review that, shall we?:

"I was sent an email from Aaron Dorr at IGO last week that shows Mike Gronstal (D) throwing petitions on the floor. Very poor action I must say. But what kind of ambush did the IGO set up for that? I'd like to think Dorr asked nicely, but now I question what he said to get this reaction. Having a camera waiting in hiding to capture the moment? Coincidence? Nope."


There you have it . . . judge, trial and jury . . . from someone who wasn't even there . . . it absolutely smacks of the same crap that McClanahan pulled regarding the gun show. But let's take it further . . . this statement reveals a lot about where you and the other phony myrmidons are coming from: You, and all the other myrmidons who have pulled this "poor Gronstal" line,care so much more about the Iowa Carry / NRA activity than you do about the truth, that you areapparently incapable of feelingwhat areal, genuine, freedom loving and seekingMAN would feel:

Revulsion that our so-called "representative republic" has sank to this disgusting and abhorrentlevel.

Gronstal exhibits his "I am the all knowing elite ruler and I answer to no one" arrogance, and you give it a pathetic shrift of "very poor action." . . and then quickly proceed to attack IGO . . . I am sorry . . . all of you Iowa Carry myrmidons can seethe at me with as much hate and venom as you wish . . . when you openly advocate for the likes of Gronstal and his behavior, I need to know nothing else about where you are coming from. Thankfully, apparentlythere are still MEN who live in Gronstal's district that have been calling him in outrage . . . which is what any self-respecting man would do. If you hate me for being repulsed at the thought of sinking so low as tocare nothing about this . . . . .then I do not fear your hatred.

"I question the direction and actions of IGO for what I consider a bad decision, and you go nuts on me."

Again, if you think that IGO "outing" Mike Gronstal's arrogance towards his constituency and the people of Iowais a "bad decision," . . . then I concede to you: you and I ARE on the complete opposite side of things. And if you think thatcategorizing the complete and totaldichotomy of someone portending to be in any way an advocate of freedom, and then takinga side with the likes of Mike Gronstal means that I have "gone nuts on you," I wouldsuggest that youtell me whatyour definition of "nuts" is . . .it certainly doesn't align with mine.

"Start treating people the way you wish to be treated" . . . I am . . . I wish to be treated with the truth . . .

Do you?




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"I wouldsuggest that youtell me whatyour definition of "nuts" is . . "



Try reading one of your own posts.
 

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Max G wrote:
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Try reading one of your own posts.

Maxie -

I'm proud of you . . . you actually read completely through a post . . . well done . . . we'll be calling you "corporal Maxie myrmidon" before you know it!

Now if we can just get you to think . . . but that will be much harder, won't it?

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Hey myrmidons -

Wanted to give you some breaking news before the other myrmidons find out. Allegedly, there is a fellow in district 58 that is absolutely SMOKING about Baudler's decision to vote against IGO's bill in committeethat he cosponsored last year. Apparently he's pulling papers to primary good 'ol Clel !

You may want to race right over to the "McClownahan" show and let him know so that he can let Clel get a head start on his "explanations" before June! I think it will take him at least that long to come up with one . . .

I just want to be helpful for you guys . . . you know how much I appreciate you all!

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