I know most of you who come here aren't that bright.....

[Sheriff]

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quote: "I know most of you (open carry people) who come here aren't that bright....."

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124427

Your tax dollars at work. Sad. Very sad. :cuss:

 

[reconvic]

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Trust me it is not all of us that think the way some do. I highly respect all LEO's they are taking their lives in their hand to protect and serve us in a crisis.
Many if not most of my shooting friends are or have been LEO in some form. You have a very thankless job and I hate when people talk bad about LEO.
Whom do we all call when in trouble the Police, sorry for the bashing by some it is not all of us that think the same way. I consider you the Military for the states.
Stay safe S/F Vic

 

[LEO 229]

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That is not what was said.

TheKansan

"USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION!!!

I know most of you who come here aren't that bright, but there are already DOZENS of threads on this exact topic and I am sick of it."

I did not see any reference to open carry people. It seemed to be a rather general statement about everyone. You are reading into it. Nothing new there.

And what does that post have to do with "tax dollars" anyway? Was this guy employed to post there and drawing a salary from the people?

I did see mostly pro-OC stuff from those that posted.

"I don't approach if I don't need anything from them. If I do, I try to approach from the rear with cover nearby. Armed everyday citizens are hardly worth a second look."

"why would i need to approach a person, an openly armed individual that appears to be minding their own business when no crime has been committed or is suspected?"

" If I was working in an open carry state, I would treat the person that you described as I would any unarmed civilian. I wouldn't approach them at all. I do believe that the definition of reasonable suspicion would play out in your hard to understand scenario."

"If I'm not busy I talk guns with them (sorry guys, but I hold that Glocks are best). If I'm busy I nod and do my thing."

"I support open carry and would rather live in one of the states that allowed it. Some people aren't familiar with the OC law, especially people from out of state, where they're not used to guns. So sometimes they'll call the cops and they'll investigate. A right not used is a right lost. If you were going to carry a gun illegaly, you'd do it concealed, not in the open."

 

[Sheriff]

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There's 3 points I want to make with this thread.

1- "Some" cops think MOST open carry advocates are stupid. Evidenced by the quote above obviously.

2- If you read that particular site very often, you will see that MOST of them have no room to call anybody else stupid.

3- I would be willing to bet the author of the quoted remark above has already been on the receiving end of lawsuits for wrongful actions. If he loses his temper that quick in an internet forum and calls an entire group of people STUPID, just think about how he/she acts out on the street.

 

[Sheriff]

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LEO 229 wrote:

That is not what was said.

All one has to do is read that site occasionally to learn the demeanor and attitude of most

participants, and what they mean when they make a remark such as quoted above. :banghead:

 

[marshaul]

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Off-topic thread.

 

[Sheriff]

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marshaul wrote:

Off-topic thread.

Off topic?

If you're going to open carry, know thy enemy. Especially when they say you aren't too bright in the first place.

It's been proven more than once that open carry persons are a lot brighter than they are given credit for.

 

[marshaul]

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Well, most of us at any rate.

Don't forget that the folks in that thread are professionally "open carry folks" too, even if they would never think of it that way.

 

[Statesman]

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Sheriff wrote:

There's 3 points I want to make with this thread.

1- "Some" cops think MOST open carry advocates are stupid. Evidenced by the quote above obviously.

2- If you read that particular site very often, you will see that MOST of them have no room to call anybody else stupid.

3- I would be willing to bet the author of the quoted remark above has already been on the receiving end of lawsuits for wrongful actions. If he loses his temper that quick in an internet forum and calls an entire group of people STUPID, just think about how he/she acts out on the street.

To follow their own logic for #1, all cops should conceal carry. If they disagree, then could they also be stupid? If it's a matter of training, none of them are in a position to determine what level a citizen has achieved.

 

[thx997303]

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I remember starting a thread like that once, on that forum too.

Responses have greatly improved.

 

[reconvic]

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Sheriff wrote:

marshaul wrote:

Off-topic thread.

Off topic?

If you're going to open carry, know thy enemy.  Especially when they say you aren't too bright in the first place.

It's been proven more than once that open carry persons are a lot brighter than they are given credit for.      

I have a hunch many don't carry here conceal because they can't qualify to get a CCP and handle the responsibility to own one. This is my thoughts and I am sure I will get bashed for this by I fought for freedom of speech Enuff Said.
S/F. Vic

 

[Il_Duce]

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Sheriff wrote:

3- I would be willing to bet the author of the quoted remark above has already been on the receiving end of lawsuits for wrongful actions. If he loses his temper that quick in an internet forum and calls an entire group of people STUPID, just think about how he/she acts out on the street.

I insult paranoid delusionals and other such people like you on the internet all the time, despite the fact that I've never been in any legal trouble.

People on the internet are rarely exactly as they are in person.

 

[Thundar]

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Most peace officers get it right. Some do not. Education and pushing training bulletins usually gets the job done for most police.

The problem usually arises in places that do not like the law (Norfolk, for example) where the politicians (Norfolk Mayor Fraim) allow personal preferences to shade their oversight of the police, which allows the continued abuse of open carriers by police.

There is also the problem of the police officer with theKing complex. Somewhat less common, but they are out there.They are ruler because of their badge and their gun. They don't like us because we also have guns and know that their King complex is a pathetic self delusional state. Bad for us until they get spanked for abuse of rights.

The problem for OCers is that we don't know what type of peace officer is approaching us when we are OCing. Attitude and demeanor are our best indicators of the type of officer that we have to deal with.

Knowledge of the law, voice recorders, sterile carry, electrical tape over serial numbers and a copy of your states relevant code are all tools to help you cope or take action after the encounter.

Stand firm for your rights, most peace officers will respect that. Be ready for the police officer that does not. The police officer that gets spanked and loses his promotion opportunity or even his job will no longer think that you "are not that bright".

 

[N00blet45]

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reconvic wrote:

I have a hunch many don't carry here conceal because they can't qualify to get a CCP and handle the responsibility to own one. This is my thoughts and I am sure I will get bashed for this by I fought for freedom of speech Enuff Said.
S/F. Vic

I was under the impression that most states have similar requirements for both open and concealed carry. The only real difference is that in order to carry concealed you may need to pass a qualification in order to be issued a license. But most of the qualification requirements are a joke.

If I remember correctly the test in Kentucky consisted of firing twenty shots at a target seven feet away, if you hit it ten times you passed. I'm sure that's not exactly right but you get the idea.

Another reason some people OC over CC may be that they don't want to "register" themselves as a gun owner. Yes I know it's not a national database and so and so forth but some states have it now that when an officer runs your record it'll show if you have a concealed carry license or not. Some people just don't like being registered.

 

[LEO 229]

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Sheriff wrote:

marshaul wrote:

Off-topic thread.

Off topic?

If you're going to open carry, know thy enemy. Especially when they say you aren't too bright in the first place.

It's been proven more than once that open carry persons are a lot brighter than they are given credit for.

Yes, it is not really a worthwhile topic and all you are doing is stirring the pot. But that is what you do here. You are as bad as Nitrovic posting there about open carriers here.

Now you are referring to cops as "thy enemy" while you should know after almost 30 years working in the field that most cops are good people wanting to help and give back to the community.

Most members hereshould beaware that you will do and post most anything if it shows your point of view.Cops are bad, evil, inexperienced, power hungry,and rotten people. You have a cult following in that a few members here hate cops sothey press and encourage you to continue.

Do I think some open carry people are not that bright? Your damn right I do!! I have read some stupid and ridiculous stuff posted by them here. But I know that it is the 1% and what they say does not represent the entire group.

 

[Nutczak]

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reconvic wrote:

I have a hunch many don't carry here conceal because they can't qualify to get a CCP and handle the responsibility to own one.

Or how about they live in a state that has no provisions for concealed-carry and therefore they are forced to open-carry.

 

[Thundar]

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reconvic wrote:

I have a hunch many don't carry here conceal because they can't qualify to get a CCP and handle the responsibility to own one. This is my thoughts and I am sure I will get bashed for this by I fought for freedom of speech Enuff Said.
S/F. Vic

Do you have a brother named Nitrovic? Or has the Arizona sun just cooked your brain too long?

IMHO there is a lot more responsibility in Open Carrying than there is in hiding it in your pants. Most here already do have state permission slips, but carry openly for a variety of reasons.

Insulting us in the open carry forum is just rude. If you want to bash us go to Concealed Carry or some other meek, and weak forum. We don't have time to waste on your ilk. We have rights to exercise.