I hope i have come to the right place.

[Brass Magnet]

I guess there is really no point in starting a new topic about this unless no one looks here but what if while your OCing you are approached by the police and arrested for DC and can't control it. A Milwaukee cop told me that if they see someone OC they are suppose to arrest them and charge them with DC.

They do like to use scare tactics....see the recent incidents in Madison for proof of that.

Read this thread for an ongoing discussion on wisconsin "stop and identify" law:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...partment-homicide-detective-blasts-Chief-Wray
The above has more to do with when you aren't under arrest, or aren't YET under arrest.

If it ever does really happen (and that's very rare) and you are actually getting arrested what I can tell you is to NEVER physically resist and to NEVER use an agressive tone of voice. What you can do is to verbally and politely refuse consent. You may choose to say something like "Officer, I do not consent to any searches or any seizures." and hopefully you are recording the encounter.

In my opinion, once you are actually arrested I personally wouldn't say anything except: "I will not answer any questions and would like to speak with my attorney".

If you don't say anything they can't use your words against you and you will end up working everything out in court and you will win.

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

I sure hope he would not be lying to me since i consider him to be a friend...however my bigger problem is not one of OCing but getting a firearm to use for OC. My grandpa left behind a .45 para ordnance when he past a few years back (we were best buddies and went shooting alot) and it is now in possession of my mother, grandmother, & uncle. However, they all feel that OC is not needed in my town even though i have spent a lot of time explaining to them and showing them things however so far i cannot change their minds.

They are all for owning guns and standing up for believing in what you feel is right however when i stand up for my belief in OC and CCW i get shot down by them so quick i don't even have a chance. I tried to explain the reason i want to OC is because it is better to have something and not need it. Than need it and not have it. Their response was by OC you may bring on something that was unnecessary and "are you that paranoid you think something is going to happen?" and "if you want to OC become a police officer."

I just want to OC when i am out on my own or with my brothers so i can protect myself if necessary and protect them. Just the thought of losing any one of my family members brings tears to my eyes and they just can't understand...I was given a gift of a wwii Mosin Nagant revolver that i could OC however i will NOT OC it because it is the most inaccurate pistol ever and is double action with a 9lb trigger pull!

I have no intentions of just grabbing my grabbing my grandfathers pistol and going to OC. I want to practice and practice a lot with it so if and when the time comes i know how to use it properly. My only chance now is to talk to my dad who has served with the national guard for close to 20 years and see what his take on the whole matter is. If i cannot change their minds i guess i will need to save up so i can have my father or Uncle purchase a pistol that i can borrow until i am 21 and use for practicing and OCing.

I want CCW passed and i think it should be passed. If people thought everyone had a gun especially robbers i don't think that they would be so quick to rob a store. Also, just the sight of a handgun is enough to deter to common crook in most cases. Their argument once again is "There are alot of people out there that shouldn't be able to have guns." and my response is most people like that get them illegally anyway so why not allow good citizens carry?

I have no one to vent to so sorry if i made this post a bit long. I don't know what to do but if something were to happen to one of my brothers while i'm out with them (they are 8 and 9) and i didn't have a firearm to do anything i would NEVER forgive them.

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

They do like to use scare tactics....see the recent incidents in Madison for proof of that.

Read this thread for an ongoing discussion on wisconsin "stop and identify" law:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...partment-homicide-detective-blasts-Chief-Wray
The above has more to do with when you aren't under arrest, or aren't YET under arrest.

If it ever does really happen (and that's very rare) and you are actually getting arrested what I can tell you is to NEVER physically resist and to NEVER use an agressive tone of voice. What you can do is to verbally and politely refuse consent. You may choose to say something like "Officer, I do not consent to any searches or any seizures." and hopefully you are recording the encounter.

In my opinion, once you are actually arrested I personally wouldn't say anything except: "I will not answer any questions and would like to speak with my attorney".

If you don't say anything they can't use your words against you and you will end up working everything out in court and you will win.

I watched those don't talk to police videos, and Citizens guide while encountering police. Good videos and im taking their advice along with yours.

 

[maclean]

Nobody seems to be providing the lad bad advice at all from what little I know of your laws, but did anyone consider the lad's desire to become an LEO?

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

Nobody seems to be providing the lad bad advice at all from what little I know of your laws, but did anyone consider the lad's desire to become an LEO?

What about it?

 

[maclean]

What about it?

Did you indicate you had a relative who was a peace officer somewhere for a State?

I'm not certain where you would like to work, and nothing that you plan to do is illegal.

That said, engaging in some of the advice provided to you here will absolutely prevent you from being hired as an LEO.

I make no commentary on that being right, wrong, or indifferent - but you're an adult and should make informed decisions.

 

[Citizen]

Nobody seems to be providing the lad bad advice at all from what little I know of your laws, but did anyone consider the lad's desire to become an LEO?

Oh. I can take care of that for you.

Luke, powerful is the Dark Side. Fall into its trap you must not. Or, a Sith you shall become.

(Only half joking. Just compare Jedi admonitions against the Dark Side of the Force with power-tripping, rights-violating cops.)

 

[Yooper]

I have no intentions of just grabbing my grabbing my grandfathers pistol and going to OC. I want to practice and practice a lot with it so if and when the time comes i know how to use it properly. My only chance now is to talk to my dad who has served with the national guard for close to 20 years and see what his take on the whole matter is. If i cannot change their minds i guess i will need to save up so i can have my father or Uncle purchase a pistol that i can borrow until i am 21 and use for practicing and OCing.
.

There is no need to "borrow" a pistol until you are 21. You can buy a pistol from a private party (person to person sale) right now. The 21 age limit is for purchasing a handgun through a federal firearms dealer (gun stores/cabela's etc), and not through a private party. (Someone help me with cites please, I don't think WI specifies and only says juvenile, so we'd have to rely on Federal, which I can't seem to find)

 

[maclean]

Oh. I can take care of that for you.

Luke, powerful is the Dark Side. Fall into its trap you must not. Or, a Sith you shall become.

(Only half joking. Just compare Jedi admonitions against the Dark Side of the Force with power-tripping, rights-violating cops.)

Chuckle - I've never violated anyone's firearms rights and don't advocate for it.

However, I have been through a background investigation to be hired as an LEO on more than one occasion - and the lad deserves to hear that decisions he makes will possibly impact his dream.

Do I have to wear a black cloak now?

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

Chuckle - I've never violated anyone's firearms rights and don't advocate for it.

However, I have been through a background investigation to be hired as an LEO on more than one occasion - and the lad deserves to hear that decisions he makes will possibly impact his dream.

Do I have to wear a black cloak now?

I understand that the decisions i make now may impact becoming a police officer but i do feel that people should be allowed to OC as long as they are well within the law and before i did it was going to find out everything that there was to know about it. The good & bad and by bad is getting involved with an incident like the guys in madison...

There is no need to "borrow" a pistol until you are 21. You can buy a pistol from a private party (person to person sale) right now. The 21 age limit is for purchasing a handgun through a federal firearms dealer (gun stores/cabela's etc), and not through a private party. (Someone help me with cites please, I don't think WI specifies and only says juvenile, so we'd have to rely on Federal, which I can't seem to find)

Didn't know the details about the private party part but i did know about buying from stores.

 

[maclean]

What the heck are you guys talking about?

He was giving me the gears, don't worry too much about it.

 

[maclean]

I understand that the decisions i make now may impact becoming a police officer but i do feel that people should be allowed to OC as long as they are well within the law and before i did it was going to find out everything that there was to know about it. The good & bad.

I don't disagree with you.

Let me put it to you this way, I work in a reasonably pro-gun State. I was grilled at length during both of my backgrounds about my use of firearms, my contacts with police, and my association with web boards, advocacy groups, and all kinds of other things that you'd never think they'd ask.

If you're seeking an LEO job, I would advise you to be grey.

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

I don't disagree with you.

Let me put it to you this way, I work in a reasonably pro-gun State. I was grilled at length during both of my backgrounds about my use of firearms, my contacts with police, and my association with web boards, advocacy groups, and all kinds of other things that you'd never think they'd ask.

If you're seeking an LEO job, I would advise you to be grey.

Are you a police officer now? Also what do you mean by grey?

 

[maclean]

Are you a police officer now? Also what do you mean by grey?

I'm an LEO, but not in Wisconsin.

"Being grey" is a term that means "one that does not call attention to himself."

The people who hire LEOs are not really LEOs any more, they are political appointees and managers.

They rely heavily on psychological profiles and polygraph examinations to find and exclude folks they think will discredit them by doing either stupid or criminal things. Personally, I think they achieve varying levels of success, but that is a topic for another day.

The fact is that if you open carry and if you are contacted by LEOs and if you refuse to cooperate, you are likely not violating any law, and most of the fine folks here have been very good at telling you all that stuff already.

My point was that in doing so, you will likely reduce your chances of being hired as an LEO to close to zero.

I'm not suggesting this is right, but I know how bad you can want to get hired and I'd hate to see you make the decision without understanding what it might cost.

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

Yes, but not in Wisconsin.

"Being grey" is a term that means "one that does not call attention to himself."

The people who hire police officers are not really police officers any more, they are political appointees and managers.

They rely heavily on psychological profiles and polygraph examinations to find and exclude folks they think will discredit them by doing either stupid or criminal things. Personally, I think they achieve varying levels of success, but that is a topic for another day.

The fact is that if you open carry and if you are contacted by police officers and if you refuse to cooperate, you are likely not violating any law, and most of the fine folks here have been very good at telling you all that stuff already.

My point was that in doing so, you will likely reduce your chances of being hired as an LEO to close to zero.

I'm not suggesting this is right, but I know how bad you can want to get hired and I'd hate to see you make the decision without understanding what it might cost.

The main place i am going to carry would be around my house & when i go for a walk down our country roads in the evening. Other times i may want to do this is when i have to go somewhere alone or with my brothers where i can carry but the main thing is if a police officer were to come up to me i would be polite and used what i have learned to say to them. If i were to be arrested i would comply and not fight or say anything rude to them (im not that type of person anyway) and hopefully work things out with a lawyer or something. However, if it is perfectly legal for me to OC why should i not just to become part of something that is hurting others that are complying with the law. If i become a police officer it is because i want to protect and help people. I don't want to arrest citizens that are complying with the law or use my power to make others lives heck. Right now i am working on become an MP with the military. I have researched that career and it seems to be my kind of work and yes i have been told that some police departments don't like MP's because they have to retrain them into thinking differently about the codes/alphabet, ect.

If i have not made this clear. I DO understand that by OCing and getting charged with something or having any kinds of issues with the police i put my dream job on the line but on the other hand i understand that i will NOT let anything happen to myself or my family and if that means carrying a firearm i will.

 

[maclean]

Best of luck to you, and someone has been filling you with rubbish about MP's.

I've found many departments enjoy hiring MP's a great deal - but they also like hiring anyone with prior service experience from just about any career field.

 

[Citizen]

Chuckle - I've never violated anyone's firearms rights and don't advocate for it.

Interesting that you felt the need to make that distinction. I won't ask you to incriminate yourself by saying anything about other rights.

 

[HolyOrangeJuice]

Best of luck to you, and someone has been filling you with rubbish about MP's.

I've found many departments enjoy hiring MP's a great deal - but they also like hiring anyone with prior service experience from just about any career field.

Thanks, i know departments like people with prior military service but i can see why the people that told me that PDs might not like MPs so much is because they do learn some stuff differently but either way i hope that one day OC and CCW will be more accepted in the State of Wi.

 

[Citizen]

SNIP The fact is that if you open carry and if you are contacted by LEOs and if you refuse to cooperate, you are likely not violating any law, and most of the fine folks here have been very good at telling you all that stuff already.

My point was that in doing so, you will likely reduce your chances of being hired as an LEO to close to zero.

I'm not suggesting this is right, but I know how bad you can want to get hired and I'd hate to see you make the decision without understanding what it might cost.

Hmmmm. Thank you for the glowing testimonial about police hiring practices.

Lemme see. If you are a patriotic American citizen, you can exercise your rights, but LEOs don't want you.

Says a lot about the attitude in LE.

You understand you are not helping the LE image at all, right?

 

[maclean]

Interesting that you felt the need to make that distinction. I won't ask you to incriminate yourself by saying anything about other rights.

Oh, give it a rest.