Handgun Registration Repeal question

[griffin]

I don't see many advantages to a PS-90 (P-90 is LEO). You get a little faster round than out of a Five-seveN. If you want a short rifle, get a MI pistol in 5.56 NATO or a 7.62x39. Or even an AR or AK pistol that will always remain a pistol.

 

[Jared]

The lack of movement of HB 5225 in the senate is concerning me. I think I'll call my senator, and the senate leaders office and let them know that this bill needs to pass ASAP. I'm also going to call the governor's office tomorrow because I have a feeling he may be uneasy about this bill and could be asking the senate leadership to not pass the bill.

If a 100 people on here do this, then perhaps this can get passed before the recess at the end of next week.

 

[fozzy71]

The purpose of my inquisition of the P-90 was to determine if it could be registered as a pistol legally, after Jan 2013. In my research on the weapon, I found the barrel to be just over 16". If the OAL is 26.23, it's a little long.

What I was wondering is, (A)is the muzzle break measured as part of the barrel? If not, then it could easily be shortened. If it is measured as part of the barrel, (B), would it be legal to take 1/4" off of the stock?

Either of those mods should make the P-90 an ideal, and legal car carry gun post ban.

John already explained this in his post that you quoted. Try to pay attention. Rifles (gun fired from the shoulder) with 16" barrels, that are less than 26" OAL, are ILLEGAL.

750.224b .... Sec. 224b.


(1) A person shall not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, or possess a short-barreled shotgun or a short-barreled rifle.
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750.222 Definitions.
Sec. 222.
As used in this chapter:
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(k) “Short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having 1 or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a weapon made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if the weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

 

[Venator]

The lack of movement of HB 5225 in the senate is concerning me. I think I'll call my senator, and the senate leaders office and let them know that this bill needs to pass ASAP. I'm also going to call the governor's office tomorrow because I have a feeling he may be uneasy about this bill and could be asking the senate leadership to not pass the bill.

If a 100 people on here do this, then perhaps this can get passed before the recess at the end of next week.

Scuttlebutt is that the Governor is holding all gun related legislation up. He doesn't want to deal with anything but financial/economy stuff.

 

[stainless1911]

John already explained this in his post that you quoted. Try to pay attention. Rifles (gun fired from the shoulder) with 16" barrels, that are less than 26" OAL, are ILLEGAL.

There you go. Make it exactly 26". Thank you.

 

[TheQ]

There you go. Make it exactly 26". Thank you.

Be careful. If BATFE/MSP measure it at 15.95 with their ruler, you get to go to "pound me in the azz" prison.

This is why Mossberg makes their 500 no shorter than 18.5"

 

[stainless1911]

I would have it measured by a gunsmith. Might even get it notarized. Lots of trouble exercising a right.

In school a bunch of friends got all the different kinds of rulers and tape measures we could find to compare the one to another. Very few of them lined up the marks perfectly. It wouldnt surprise me if the .gov has a set of short rulers.

 

[Big Gay Al]

The problem as I see it, is with the change in current MI law from 30" to 26" any firearm fitting the new limits could be defined as an SBR, and therefore you'd have to pay a tax to ATFE and register it with them.

 

[stainless1911]

Yes thats true, but I wouldnt mind paying a tax if its legal.

 

[TheQ]

I would have it measured by a gunsmith. Might even get it notarized. Lots of trouble exercising a right.

In school a bunch of friends got all the different kinds of rulers and tape measures we could find to compare the one to another. Very few of them lined up the marks perfectly. It wouldnt surprise me if the .gov has a set of short rulers.

You don't seem to get it. This is no guarantee their tape measure will the same as your gunsmith's. When you're busted you will serve the sentence, not your smith!

 

[TheQ]

The problem as I see it, is with the change in current MI law from 30" to 26" any firearm fitting the new limits could be defined as an SBR, and therefore you'd have to pay a tax to ATFE and register it with them.

ATF stamp doesn't matter. SBRs are illegal in MI -- stamp or not.

 

[Big Gay Al]

ATF stamp doesn't matter. SBRs are illegal in MI -- stamp or not.

That would sort of put the kabosh on MI Pistols after 1-1-2013 then, depending on what ATF tells me. I'm thinking the barrel has to be less than 16" in addition to the OAL of less than 26. But, I guess we'll see what ATF has to say in response to my question about that. Thing is, ATF has different measurement guidelines. They measure SBRs with folding stocks UN folded. Michigan measures with folding stocks folded. So it could be possible to have a rifle that meets the MI definition of a pistol, that is NOT considered by ATF to be an SBR.

 

[Super Trucker]

yeah, i'm not usually this fired up on OCDO... but i'm beginning to think we may have an anti among us.
when his grandchildren ask him some day what he did for gun rights, Super Trucker will be able to proudly say, "i fought tirelessly to keep the handgun registration in Michigan"

I fight to lose NOTHING we started with and to gain rights as well. You and the other FUDDS have been busy doing away with what doesn't suit your needs.

Remember when OC started gaining momentum in MI and many said only a few OC so we don't need it. You sir are doing the exact same thing they did a few years ago.

You must be trolling because nobody can be as dense as you are portraying yourself to be. You are working to get rid of the ability to carry specific weapons and are calling me anti gun, wow.

ETA: You suggested fighting to make long gun carry legal in vehicles, yet when I invited you to a meeting you are not man enough to back up your case. After all you said you get things done.
Once long gun carry in vehicles is legal I would be 100% for doing away with registration because then nobody would lose. I would use crayons to write this to help you understand this but colored font isn't allowed.

 

[stainless1911]

Lets not get this thread locked.

 

[HKcarrier]

The purpose of my inquisition of the P-90 was to determine if it could be registered as a pistol legally, after Jan 2013. In my research on the weapon, I found the barrel to be just over 16". If the OAL is 26.23, it's a little long.

What I was wondering is, (A)is the muzzle break measured as part of the barrel? If not, then it could easily be shortened. If it is measured as part of the barrel, (B), would it be legal to take 1/4" off of the stock?

Either of those mods should make the P-90 an ideal, and legal car carry gun post ban.

What could you possibly gain from shortening it up 1/4"? From here ----> | | <----to here... going to help tacticooly? Why in the world would you want to spend that kind of money to gain a 1/4 inch and possibly risk trouble because of how it's measured? Ooooooook....

 

[Super Trucker]

that's one of the dumbest things i've ever heard... although getting used to it at this point. if someone is born into slavery and never known freedom, then they should just remain slaves?:banghead:

Can you not answer a question? You said rights that were lost, I asked a question of what rights have been lost by current gun owners in MI and you dance and side step again.
Yes registration sucks I get that, but the point that you refuse to get is that causing people to lose rights so others gain is wrong. Right now your point is that I will save a .50 stamp yet give up the ability to carry a useful gun next year, hmmmmmm let me thing about that one. OK FAIL, Next.

Please answer this question: How is what you are doing any different then the people that fight OC?

 

[stainless1911]

What could you possibly gain from shortening it up 1/4"? From here ----> | | <----to here... going to help tacticooly? Why in the world would you want to spend that kind of money to gain a 1/4 inch and possibly risk trouble because of how it's measured? Ooooooook....

You gain the ability to legally call it a pistol and carry it as such. It wouldn't cost me a lot of money, that would be something I could figure out on my own.

 

[Jared]

Scuttlebutt is that the Governor is holding all gun related legislation up. He doesn't want to deal with anything but financial/economy stuff.

That's always the excuse. First off, the ONLY thing these idiots can do for fincancia;/economy is to repeal laws... but anyway, this is a bigger issue. The senate has been nothing but problems. There is a referendum on the ballot to abolish the state senate. I'm so for it. I hope everyone else is too and they spread the word.

If people want to know another reason to abolish the state senate. That's a 100,000 grand less, a pension less, and one less medical plan per senator.

 

[stainless1911]

Im down wit dat.

 

[Venator]

I fight to lose NOTHING we started with and to gain rights as well. You and the other FUDDS have been busy doing away with what doesn't suit your needs.

Remember when OC started gaining momentum in MI and many said only a few OC so we don't need it. You sir are doing the exact same thing they did a few years ago.

You must be trolling because nobody can be as dense as you are portraying yourself to be. You are working to get rid of the ability to carry specific weapons and are calling me anti gun, wow.

ETA: You suggested fighting to make long gun carry legal in vehicles, yet when I invited you to a meeting you are not man enough to back up your case. After all you said you get things done.
Once long gun carry in vehicles is legal I would be 100% for doing away with registration because then nobody would lose. I would use crayons to write this to help you understand this but colored font isn't allowed.

IT IS NOW.

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