Gonzaga University students could face expulsion for gun

[MAC702]

Well, Mac, I made the falsifiable assertion. It is up to you to falsify it.

Here is a common place to look that includes clerks and bailiffs http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1385&bold=||||

I'm not sure i understand you.

You show us a list that doesn't say "police officers" and when I notice that, you say I have to prove to you that "sheriffs, marshals, and constables" are terms that do not include all other police officers? Do you think the sheriff and constable would agree with you that all of their deputies and officers enjoy the same privileges they themselves do?

 

[MAC702]

but a deputy sheriff has all powers of the sheriff under the law....

We are not discussing powers, even if I saw something in writing that verified this.

 

[OC for ME]

Why is the lawyer keeping the pistols?

 

[sirpuma]

I'm not sure i understand you.

You show us a list that doesn't say "police officers" and when I notice that, you say I have to prove to you that "sheriffs, marshals, and constables" are terms that do not include all other police officers? Do you think the sheriff and constable would agree with you that all of their deputies and officers enjoy the same privileges they themselves do?

Constable An official of a Municipal Corporation whose primary duties are to protect and preserve the peace of the community.
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The police have assumed the functions of constables.
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A constable has the status of peace officer, a person designated by public authority to maintain the peace and arrest persons guilty or suspected of crime. The constable must yield to the superior authority of a sheriff, the chief executive and administrative officer of a county, where a conflict exists concerning jurisdiction.
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Here is your Police Officer/LEO

 

[MAC702]

Here is your Police Officer/LEO

Still not following your logic. You are citing a non-authoritative dictionary that still doesn't prove the point. Indeed, it is a poorly worded dictionary at that.

Show us where a typical police officer is an "Officer of the Court" in any jurisdiction's legal status, preferably Washington. Being an Officer of the Court is a big deal.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Still not following your logic. You are citing a non-authoritative dictionary that still doesn't prove the point. Indeed, it is a poorly worded dictionary at that.

Show us where a typical police officer is an "Officer of the Court" in any jurisdiction's legal status, preferably Washington. Being an Officer of the Court is a big deal.

There is no legal definition of "officer of the court" in the RCW therefore whoever started this argument can invent the term and make it mean whatever he wants it to mean

 

[omegagonzo]

I read somewhere that it was discovered that the University didn't actually own the apartment, but instead had it on a 99-year lease from the actual landowners and was then subletting it to students. I wish I could find the article where I read that.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I read somewhere that it was discovered that the University didn't actually own the apartment, but instead had it on a 99-year lease from the actual landowners and was then subletting it to students. I wish I could find the article where I read that.

According to the spokane county assessor tax parcel search, the registered owner is a "colonial city inc" with the registered address at PO box 3464 Spokane.

The taxpayer on the other hand (the people actually cutting the checks) is Gonzaga incorporated, 502 E Boone, Spokane.

Go to the spokane county assessor a website, hit parcel search and enter the address. 207 E Sinto Ave.

Not that it matters much, because gonzagas lease gives them property interest

 

[sirpuma]

Still not following your logic. You are citing a non-authoritative dictionary that still doesn't prove the point. Indeed, it is a poorly worded dictionary at that.

Show us where a typical police officer is an "Officer of the Court" in any jurisdiction's legal status, preferably Washington. Being an Officer of the Court is a big deal.

you can learn to accept a definition or not.

 

[MAC702]

you can learn to accept a definition or not.

You can learn there are valid definitions and invalid ones, and that some definitions apply only in certain jurisdictions.

 

[MAC702]

There is no legal definition of "officer of the court" in the RCW therefore whoever started this argument can invent the term and make it mean whatever he wants it to mean

The Chief Justice is said to be the chief officer of the court, however: Rule 8B: http://www.courts.wa.gov/court_rules/?fa=court_rules.rulesPDF&groupName=aca&setName=SAR

Attorneys are defined as officers of the court (use "find" and it will be the second instance of "officer of the court"): http://www.courts.wa.gov/court_rules/?fa=court_rules.rulesPDF&groupName=ga

And the State Bar Association (not government agency, though) describes attorneys as officers of the court: http://www.wsba.org/News-and-Events...alism Committee/Creed of Professionalism.ashx

 

[sirpuma]

You can learn there are valid definitions and invalid ones, and that some definitions apply only in certain jurisdictions.

Of course you refuse to accept a dictionary definition because you are stubborn and want to refuse to believe anything. But that's ok, you're not in WA so your opinion doesn't make any real difference. But here are some more sites that offer the legal definition of constable.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c289.htm
http://thelawdictionary.org/constable/
http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/constable/
http://research.lawyers.com/glossary/constable.html
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/constable
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/constable
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t22c009.php

As you can see there are a few sites for legal research including one geared toward lawyers, two prestigious universities and since you probably won't accept a university that creates lawyers word on what a constable is I added what the State of South Carolina has to say. The term is used MANY times in RCWs and my bet is that the definition that I have provided is what Washington state accepts, whether you like it or not.:banghead:

 

[MAC702]

I can Google, too, and find a plethora of sites that say what I want them to say. In fact, I did and ignored them because they did not apply to this situation. Do any of those show Washington calling a police officer an "officer of the court?"

Just because I'm picky about accuracy doesn't mean I don't accept anything, and if you are resorting to that debate tactic, I know what that means, too.

Indeed, not a single other person here is backing you up, either, yet. If they do, hopefully it will be with something official.

You know nothing of my ties to Washington State, obviously, and that's okay because it is irrelevant. Being in Washington does not make you correct anymore than me not being there currently makes me wrong. If you are resorting to that debate tactic, I know what that means, too.

I'm the only one who has cited official WA usage so far.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

Attorneys are defined as officers of the court

Lawyers are more commonly defined as something else.

The same crap you sometimes find on the bottom of your shoe.

 

[sirpuma]

I can Google, too, and find a plethora of sites that say what I want them to say. In fact, I did and ignored them because they did not apply to this situation. Do any of those show Washington calling a police officer an "officer of the court?"

Just because I'm picky about accuracy doesn't mean I don't accept anything, and if you are resorting to that debate tactic, I know what that means, too.

Indeed, not a single other person here is backing you up, either, yet. If they do, hopefully it will be with something official.

You know nothing of my ties to Washington State, obviously, and that's okay because it is irrelevant. Being in Washington does not make you correct anymore than me not being there currently makes me wrong. If you are resorting to that debate tactic, I know what that means, too.

I'm the only one who has cited official WA usage so far.

Washington's RAC use the term Constable multiple times and you know damn well they mean cops. You can't skirt around it. You can't say that LEO aren't officers of the court when you know well and good that they are and that RCWs take common definition of common legal terms for granted. You won't win any court cases trying to argue that LEO can't write tickets or arrest people or execute warrants because they aren't specifically listed as officers of the court by name and badge number in the RCW or WAC. Just because there is no RCW that says "the terms LEO, Police Officer, Cop, Jack Booted Thugs or any other variation of common definition of the term Constable is intended to mean Law Enforcement Officers of the Court" doesn't mean that it is in fact true.

You're the kind of person that if every person on earth claimed the clear, daytime sky was blue, you would argue and claim that the whole world is full of it because you believe the sky to be a shade of cyan. You're arguing over semantics of a common law term.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

You're arguing over semantics of a common law term.

That is what the law is all about, and courts, lawyers & judges.

Arguing the semantics of a convoluted house of cards that ought to be so straight forward anyone with a HS diploma can understand it.

 

[MAC702]

Washington's RAC use the term Constable multiple times and you know damn well they mean cops...

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You're the kind of person that if every person on earth claimed the clear, daytime sky was blue, you would argue and claim that the whole world is full of it because you believe the sky to be a shade of cyan. You're arguing over semantics of a common law term.

You're hinging everything on a "constable" being a typical police officer and every police officer being the legal equivalent of a constable. I at least want to make sure I understand this. Because I agree that a constable is generally considered to be an officer of the court. In many townships, the constable is an elected position, like the sheriff is of the county, though I've not been able to verify this for Washington State, yet. Indeed, it seems that the title "constable" is being rather difficult to find in Washington.

But I do not know "damn well" that constables and typical police officers (both being "cops" of course) are one and the same, as they are certainly not in many places. Do not tell me what I know. Again, that is a rude and wrong debate tactic, though that seems to be normal with you.

The sky is blue. "Blue" is a very acceptable generic term that needs no specifically legal definition in a courtroom. You seem not to understand that words often have very specific legal definitions in a courtroom and that sometimes (often) these terms may be more general outside that courtroom. I promise you that a judge cares very much who is LEGALLY an "officer of the court" in his courtroom.

 

[MattinWA]

I have never heard it (constable)

 

[DCKilla]

Any new info on this, I'm getting tired of this other bs.

 

[MattinWA]

Any new info on this, I'm getting tired of this other bs.

The police dept have yet to return my email, shocking news really

no I havent heard anything new around spokane, that hasnt been posted here yet