Gene German News Flash

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

I certainly hope you can back up your promise once we get a permit system. The fact is that since no bill has been submitted we do not know what states WI will recognize. Anyone who already has a MN or other permit should already be aware that in order to be exempt from the federal GFSZ law you need a permit issued by the State where the school is located. A MN permit whether resident or non-resident only covers you in MN for GFSZ. WI residents sould assume that they will HAVE to get a WI permit and that no other permit will help them stay clear of the law in WI.
That is noble that you donate your time to train others. The reality is that we will likely have a permit system and that training will incur costs to both teach and attend.

Montana has a law that specifically exempts residents of the state from the Federal GFSZ without requiring a permit.

WI does not need a permit system.

 

[Interceptor_Knight]

AHonestly, I've heard 3 different groups position themselves that they've got the inside track, they are writing the bill, and "their" bill is a done deal.

I submit that is just wishful thinking. Everyone wants you to BELIEVE what they tell you so you stop contacting your legislators.

I offer that IF any group REALLY had the inside track and was confident they REALLY had the ear of "the" legislators to introduce their bill AND get it passed why are they out so vigorously stirring the pot for support? To use Gene German's logic... I can't think of a better way for a gun lobbyist to waste their time than go seeking support if their shall-issue bill is a shoe-in.

I submit that we REMAIN tossed up between shall-issue and constitutional carry.

Groups are out seeking support because they KNOW no one has it locked up..

What you need to realize is that WCI is too new and has not extablished long term mutually respecftul relationships in Madison to have the ear of "the" legislatures, to have the inside track and to have "their" bill be in the running. Getting a couple of communities to throw chump change out to make a lawsuit go away is not a victory in the big picture. Instead of deamonizing existing groups, how about networking with them and building a relationship? They have been in the fight exponentially longer than you have. I guarantee that even though Gene may not see eye to eye on everything with WI Force and the WI NRA reps that they have sat across the table from each other and talked things through a bit. I suggest that you do the same. I challenge you to give Gene a call and offer to meet with him to discuss the issues...

 

[Interceptor_Knight]

Montana has a law that specifically exempts residents of the state from the Federal GFSZ without requiring a permit.

WI does not need a permit system.

Good luck with that if the Feds get pissed at Montana and decide to go after them and their residents. Look at what happened in California with Marijuana. Doctors found themselves charged with Felonys in Federal Court.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

Good luck with that if the Feds get pissed at Montana and decide to go after them and their residents. Look at what happened in California with Marijuana. Doctors found themselves charged with Felonys in Federal Court.

Keep being negative, that's fine. While you sit around and whine, I'll keep going to Madison and working on a solution.

What have you done lately for the cause?

 

[Interceptor_Knight]

Keep being negative, that's fine. While you sit around and whine, I'll keep going to Madison and working on a solution.

What have you done lately for the cause?

I am not the one whining. I am a realist. Until a law is repealed, it is wise to comply with it. Getting charged with a felony and then complaining that it is not a fair law after the fact is not in my play book.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

I am not the one whining. I am a realist. Until a law is repealed, it is wise to comply with it. Getting charged with a felony and then complaining that it is not a fair law after the fact is not in my play book.

Sp, how many VT and MT people have been charged exactly?

 

[Interceptor_Knight]

Sp, how many VT and MT people have been charged exactly?

All it takes is to be the 1 single case and your life is changed forever....

 

[McX]

All it takes is to be the 1 single case and your life is changed forever....

blew me away with that one interceptor. truly the truth there.

 

[Interceptor_Knight]

The odds of being charged with "transferring" an unregistered machine gun because you lent your semiauto rifle to a friend and it malfunctioned is minuscule. I know of 1 WI man in prison for just this reason and because of the felony charge he may never legally posses a firearm again.

 

[oak1971]

All it takes is to be the 1 single case and your life is changed forever....

Let's do nothing cause it's too scary.:banghead:

Glad our founders were not that skittish.

 

[Interceptor_Knight]

Let's do nothing cause it's too scary.
Glad our founders were not that skittish.

Refusing to support the passing of solid WI Statutes or even ignoring Federal law is the equivalent to taking up arms against a tyrant exactly how??? On what planet?

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

Refusing to support the passing of solid WI Statutes or even ignoring Federal law is the equivalent to taking up arms against a tyrant exactly how??? On what planet?

OK. Knowing WI history as I do and also just knowing the lust for power the government has, I do not want to setup the infrastructure for a WI carry permit, even if it is free, requires no background check and no training. Once we let the camels nose under the tent, a future non 2A friendly legislature/governor can tweak it.

Also, since the mantra of this last election was 'less taxes, smaller government, more jobs', suggesting we hire more government employees to 'process' the permits is against that mantra.

WCI has a lawsuit against the Federal GFSZ. We need to get it repealed, deemed unconstitutional or changed. That is a separate battle.

 

[Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman]

http://www.royalpurplenews.com/news/concealed-carry-a-real-possibility-1.1917982

Mike Mikalsen from the office of Rep. Steve Nass (R-LaGrange) said Nass supports a concealed carry law, but is doing research on what type would be best for the state.
"Rep. Nass is researching whether a constitutional carry would be a good option," Mikalsen said. "He is weighing the options to see what the appropriate measures would be."
Constitutional carry is the right to bear arms without the requirement of a government permit.

Legislators are considering constitutional carry.

It is on the radar.

Clearly the debate has been shifted forward.

Keep making positive polite contact with your legislators.

When news articles are posted about constitutional carry in other states, forward them on to your legislators by email as well.

When any information that provides justification for constitutional carry comes out in the news, on this board etc. forward it on to your legislator.

Example: "Rep. X we talked a few weeks ago about constitutional carry for Wisconsin. I shared my hope that you would support a concealed carry law that does not require me to pay a fee or register with the government to exercise a fundamental right. As you consider your position on the issue, here are a few pertinent news articles that I thought might help you in your deliberations"

(and then paste links in)

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

http://www.royalpurplenews.com/news/concealed-carry-a-real-possibility-1.1917982



Legislators are considering constitutional carry.

It is on the radar.

Clearly the debate has been shifted forward.

Keep making positive polite contact with your legislators.

When news articles are posted about constitutional carry in other states, forward them on to your legislators by email as well.

When any information that provides justification for constitutional carry comes out in the news, on this board etc. forward it on to your legislator.

Example: "Rep. X we talked a few weeks ago about constitutional carry for Wisconsin. I shared my hope that you would support a concealed carry law that does not require me to pay a fee or register with the government to exercise a fundamental right. As you consider your position on the issue, here are a few pertinent news articles that I thought might help you in your deliberations"

(and then paste links in)

He is my Representative. He never responds to my emails and has never been in his office when I've stopped by but I still keep emailing and I spent over an hour talking to his assistant. Maybe the guy quoted.

I will visit by the end of the week again hopefully with 'our' version of the bill and ask/demand he sponsor/introduce it.

It is time to **** or get off the pot. We need a bill introduced.

 

[Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman]

I'd say the willingness to acknowledge in a media publication that he is considering constitutional carry is an exceptionally positive sign.

Though he hasn't responded to your emails or met with you doesn't mean your efforts aren't part of the reason he is now considering constitutional carry.

I don't think demanding anything is a good idea.

Lets just keep passing positive information along to reps. What we are doing is clearly working. Don't be frustrated, be encouraged by these kinds of comments (in the media)

The door is open. Keep offering information through it.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

I'd say the willingness to acknowledge in a media publication that he is considering constitutional carry is an exceptionally positive sign.

Though he hasn't responded to your emails or met with you doesn't mean your efforts aren't part of the reason he is now considering constitutional carry.

I don't think demanding anything is a good idea.

Lets just keep passing positive information along to reps. What we are doing is clearly working. Don't be frustrated, be encouraged by these kinds of comments (in the media)

The door is open. Keep offering information through it.

I'm not frustrated, just resolved. I pass along news stories showing 'our' side being considered by other states.

Demand is probably too harsh of a word. I meant ask and ask again.

 

[Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman]

I think the contact you made clearly made a difference.

Rather than ask ask ask, just feed feed feed information.

Having come up through b2b sales, I can tell you that the quickest way to get a contact to avoid you is by putting them on the spot all the time.

You let your rep know how you felt, you asked him to support constitutional carry. He clearly has it on his radar. He'll make his decision on his own terms. "asking" time and time again will just annoy him. Unobtrusively passing along information to help him make his decision will position you as a resource, not a pest.

The effort on your end is the same (you make positive contact multiple times, keep yourself on his radar) but it will be perceived far more positively on his end when you always come with something to OFFER (information) instead of something to demand/ask.

(I offer this information as a suggestion for all, not directed at you paul specifically)

Here is another piece of information you can pass along to your reps:

Wisconsin stands to save over a half BILLION dollars a year as a result of economic benefit of constitutional carry:

http://www.wisconsincarry.org/pdf/Guns_Good_Bans_Bad_WI.pdf

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

Here is another piece of information you can pass along to your reps:

Wisconsin stands to save over a half BILLION dollars a year as a result of economic benefit of constitutional carry:

http://www.wisconsincarry.org/pdf/Guns_Good_Bans_Bad_WI.pdf

Sent.

 

[MattD]

I forwarded the email that Nik put up yesterday (with a few modifications) to my reps.

I received this response today from Kathy Bernier.



Now I will be forwarding the Guns Good - Bans Bad analysis.
Big thanks to Nik.

 

[AaronS]

I think the contact you made clearly made a difference.

Rather than ask ask ask, just feed feed feed information.

Having come up through b2b sales, I can tell you that the quickest way to get a contact to avoid you is by putting them on the spot all the time.

You let your rep know how you felt, you asked him to support constitutional carry. He clearly has it on his radar. He'll make his decision on his own terms. "asking" time and time again will just annoy him. Unobtrusively passing along information to help him make his decision will position you as a resource, not a pest.

The effort on your end is the same (you make positive contact multiple times, keep yourself on his radar) but it will be perceived far more positively on his end when you always come with something to OFFER (information) instead of something to demand/ask.

(I offer this information as a suggestion for all, not directed at you paul specifically)

Here is another piece of information you can pass along to your reps:

Wisconsin stands to save over a half BILLION dollars a year as a result of economic benefit of constitutional carry:

http://www.wisconsincarry.org/pdf/Guns_Good_Bans_Bad_WI.pdf

Wow, great job on the report. Some of the best reading I have had in some time. So much good info, I am going to have to print it out to re-read it a few times. Bet this took some time to get togeather.

Thanks once again WCI for a job well done.