Gay Marriage=National Reciprocity?

[Dave_pro2a]

Furthermore[/b] , since when do we bestow rights based on a person's sexuality? What rights are bestowed on me based on my being heterosexual or asexual for that matter? And what rights do we need to bestow on our farm boys who like to make a midnight run to the chicken coop or sheep pen?

Furthermore your position is compatible with requiring a license to have children. Having kids ain't a "fundamental' Right. Kids are, after all, a product of sexuality. Pure and simple. And Sexuality ain't a "fundamental" Right.

I <3 your logical rhetoric [/sarcasm]

 

[sudden valley gunner]

If we treated them like the rest of the country, then they should not be allowed to marry. Marriage is not a fundamental right. I can name several groups that are not allowed to marry; children, mentally insane, prisoners with life sentences, close familial relations, people that are already married, just to name some.Furthermore, since when do we bestow rights based on a person's sexuality? What rights are bestowed on me based on my being heterosexual or asexual for that matter? And what rights do we need to bestow on our farm boys who like to make a midnight run to the chicken coop or sheep pen?

Cite were it is not a right.

 

[Ezek]

what does SS have to do with gay marriage?

I understand the insurance bit, and the "family only" bit for hospitals. and honestly, yes they never really crossed my mind as benefits cause it's never been a problem for me, so experience has led to short sightedness on this topic.


and frankly, yes SS is socialism, but it is an ACTUAL entitlement program, I paid into it, your father paid into it, you paid into it, the purpose was for a pension like benefit at retirement and it was suppose to stay a separate fund the feds couldn't touch.. which obviously didn't last long before they got their mits in the cookie jar and moved it over to the general fund and put in a bunch of IOU'S. I believe when it comes to SS you are ENTITLED TO IT because you paid into it all your damn life.

welfare benefits, that have been rebranded entitlement programs however are NOT entitlements, as NO ONE should be entitled to them, and this silly nonsense of the 4th amendment applies to applicants for welfare which is why they can't pee test them is also B.S. if an employer can require a drug test, and you are receiving money from the government, it should be construed that they are your temporary employer, and as such reserve the right to randomly drug test you to verify your eligibility to receive more temporary "employment" benefits.


but this is just my opinions...

there are also other much nefarious purposes to social security ( such as legally taxing the individual by making them part of the merchant marine or a federal employee without actually being one)

 

[sudden valley gunner]

what does SS have to do with gay marriage?I understand the insurance bit, and the "family only" bit for hospitals. and honestly, yes they never really crossed my mind as benefits cause it's never been a problem for me, so experience has led to short sightedness on this topic. and frankly, yes SS is socialism, but it is an ACTUAL entitlement program, I paid into it, your father paid into it, you paid into it, the purpose was for a pension like benefit at retirement and it was suppose to stay a separate fund the feds couldn't touch.. which obviously didn't last long before they got their mits in the cookie jar and moved it over to the general fund and put in a bunch of IOU'S. I believe when it comes to SS you are ENTITLED TO IT because you paid into it all your damn life. welfare benefits, that have been rebranded entitlement programs however are NOT entitlements, as NO ONE should be entitled to them, and this silly nonsense of the 4th amendment applies to applicants for welfare which is why they can't pee test them is also B.S. if an employer can require a drug test, and you are receiving money from the government, it should be construed that they are your temporary employer, and as such reserve the right to randomly drug test you to verify your eligibility to receive more temporary "employment" benefits.but this is just my opinions...there are also other much nefarious purposes to social security ( such as legally taxing the individual by making them part of the merchant marine or a federal employee without actually being one)

The problem is the government stole your money. In order to pay you back, they need to steal from others more than what you paid into it.Are you entitled to another's property?

 

[Ezek]

The problem is the government stole your money. In order to pay you back, they need to steal from others more than what you paid into it.Are you entitled to another's property?

I think the point is that they should not have stolen in the first place, and these other people are not entitled to what I paid, so take it back from them IMO. eye for an eye style justice.

 

[WalkingWolf]

SS was necessary to number the people, just like Hitler tattooed Jews. The entitlement scam started as a way to make it palatable for the public to accept. If it had not been for the horrors of the holocaust, I have no doubt that we all would have been tattooed at birth. Numbering of the people was necessary to keep track of the people, since Obama care it is now used on my medical files, one step closer to walk in ovens, and gas chambers, IMO.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I think the point is that they should not have stolen in the first place, and these other people are not entitled to what I paid, so take it back from them IMO. eye for an eye style justice.

100% agreed it should not have been stolen, and shouldn't be now.

Too bad they are so willing to kill you if you refuse to partake.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

SS was necessary to number the people, just like Hitler tattooed Jews. The entitlement scam started as a way to make it palatable for the public to accept. If it had not been for the horrors of the holocaust, I have no doubt that we all would have been tattooed at birth. Numbering of the people was necessary to keep track of the people, since Obama care it is now used on my medical files, one step closer to walk in ovens, and gas chambers, IMO.

I never thought of that angle.