Four very good OC encounters and one meh

[wimwag]

The only time I don't OC is when I have to go to school. I've been exclusively OCing in this state since 2007. I OC when I hike, when I take my daily run, when I buy groceries and when I go out to dinner. The vast majority of people simply do not react. Whether they "notice" is hard to say; does it enter into their vision? Does it impinge on their consciousness? Who knows?

My rough estimate is that something like .1% of folks have something negative to say, 1% of folks have something positive to say, 20% of folks notice but don't say anything, and the remaining 78.9% are completely oblivious.

Now, Virginia certainly qualifies as a "gun-friendly" state, but there are plenty of transplants in NoVA. Ironically, of the handful of negative encounters I've had, the majority were from "gun guys" (read: FUDDs) anyway. Also, my limited experience OCing in California was overwhelming not-negative (until OC was banned, of course).

I might turn it around and suggest that if you find reaction to be the norm, you are in some manner drawing attention to yourself before the gun even comes into play. (Not that I care or am criticizing you.)

Or maybe the negative reaction could be the fact that the majority of my negative reactions is due to the close proximity to the Minnesota border? Wisconsin sales tax is 2.5% lower than Minnesota tax, and we don't tax food as well. For those living in White Bear Lake, Arden Hills and Stillwater, we are close enough that what you save in taxes equals out to more than the gas required to get here. The Walmart where I had the negative reaction at sometimes sports more Minnesota plates in the parking lot than Wisconsin plates.

I suppose my age has something to do with it. Maybe the fact that I am from the hip hop generation and therefore get stereotyped could have a lot to do with it...I certainly get judged a lot.

But then again, I could say it a hundred times over and some of you would simply ignore it.

 

[marshaul]

That's oddly specific. Five years ago is 2009 but rings no open carry bells, or concealed carry.

First handgun?

I started carrying in 2007, when I acquired my first 1911.

 

[marshaul]

I suppose my age has something to do with it. Maybe the fact that I am from the hip hop generation and therefore get stereotyped could have a lot to do with it...I certainly get judged a lot.

Do you still dress like a youth?

I, too, am from the "hip-hop generation", but that doesn't dictate or alter my appearance. At the same time, I can't stomach the thought of looking corporate or WASPy, so some years back I started to dress "Western". This way I get to look nice while still maintaining some individuality.

"Hip-hop" clothing is notable for being intentionally garish, being designed by (for lack of a better word) louts whose sole object is to attract as much attention to themselves as possible. It's also notable for being universally considering ugly by basically everybody else.

If you dress like a "hip-hopper", I think we've identified the issue.

Keep in mind I'm all for diversity, and I have no problem with folks who dress "hip-hop" arming themselves (and, in so doing, "representing" the OC movement). The more the merrier.

 

[wimwag]

First handgun?



I started carrying in 2007, when I acquired my first 1911.

Unless someone else quotes the Massa, I don't see it. He was trying to call me a liar. I set foot in New Richmond for the first time around 5 years ago. I have been open carrying pretty much daily since 2009, when JB Van Hollen wrote the advisory memorandum, which I did not find out about until 2011. Before that, I had to compromise with my gf because she didn't like being patted down. I lived in New Richmond for 4 1/2 years until just a month ago when I bought a house elsewhere.

I OCd before 2009, but not every day. My first handgun was a Beretta 92FS. I bought it from a friend's father for $250. Both were bought in 2005. The second was a Colt Commander. I bought that a week later from a coworker. I lost both to the Menomonie PD in 2007. Things they take for "safekeeping" have a habit of disappearing. For those curious, in 2007 I was 23. OC has been legal and constitutionally protected in Wisconsin since 1848 and pretty much always when it was a territory.

Try again Doug.

 

[wimwag]

Do you still dress like a youth?

I, too, am from the "hip-hop generation", but that doesn't dictate or alter my appearance. At the same time, I can't stomach the thought of looking corporate or WASPy, so some years back I started to dress "Western". This way I get to look nice while still maintaining some individuality.

"Hip-hop" clothing is notable for being intentionally garish, being designed by (for lack of a better word) louts whose sole object is to attract as much attention to themselves as possible. It's also notable for being universally considering ugly by basically everybody else.

If you dress like a "hip-hopper", I think we've identified the issue.

Keep in mind I'm all for diversity, and I have no problem with folks who dress "hip-hop" arming themselves (and, in so doing, "representing" the OC movement). The more the merrier.

The issue is not how I dress. It's your prejudice. My rights are not subject to the prejudices and personal opinions of others. I don't associate everyone wearing ripped dirty jeans, John Deere hats and shirts with the sleeves ripped off with the bigoted rednecks who look that way on TV. But I guess it's just too much to request that of others.

If my clothing is designed to attract attention, then what is that giant belt buckle, neon colored NASCAR shirt and giant cowboy hat supposed to do? Attract attention.

Point being, I will dress how I please and everyone else will **** off.

 

[Franky]

WCCA tells all.

 

[marshaul]

The issue is not how I dress. It's your prejudice. My rights are not subject to the prejudices and personal opinions of others. I don't associate everyone wearing ripped dirty jeans, John Deere hats and shirts with the sleeves ripped off with the bigoted rednecks who look that way on TV. But I guess it's just too much to request that of others.

Well, perhaps your problem is partially attitude. Frankly, I think "hip-hop" clothing looks idiotic, but then I don't go around gloating over my refusal to associate with folks who look that way. In fact, I have no such refusal, because it isn't worth my time.

The degree of vehemence on your part engendered by my simple observation speaks to this, I should think. In fact, I've seen you behave like a "lout" here on this very forum. I'm certain you don't comport yourself that way in public, but if one did, one should not be surprised to receive negative reactions.

If my clothing is designed to attract attention, then what is that giant belt buckle, neon colored NASCAR shirt and giant cowboy hat supposed to do? Attract attention.

Perhaps, but I don't wear giant belt buckles or NASCAR shirts, nor do I wear anything else that screams "I'M STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL!", as does all "hip-hop" apparel. It's not the mere fact of having drawn attention to yourself, it's what impression you convey afterwards.

By "western" I mean that I wear nice (albeit colorful) shirts, tucked into reasonably slim jeans, with a belt and boots (I generally wear a ball cap). Colorful shirts might be said to attract attention, but it's almost always of the positive sort, "I love that shirt!". Overall I look adult, and my clothes appear "serious" to folks, in a way that youth attire simply does not.

So, drawing attention to yourself does not necessary predispose others to look negatively upon you. On the other hand, wearing youthful attire as an adult very likely does. And "hip-hop" apparel certainly falls into that category.

(I might interject some prejudice by refining my previous remark: hip-hop clothing is not designed by louts for the sole purpose of attracting attention, it's designed by louts for the sole purpose of giving off a loutish impression in public.)

A good example is OC itself. OC itself "attracts attention". But, that alone does little do predict the response. For instance, I've discovered that a custom 1911 carried in a hand-tooled leather holster is highly likely to attract positive comments from young women, whereas an XD carried in a Safariland rig is highly likely to have people glare and rudely ask you what kind of cop you are (normal folks aren't friendly to cops).

Point being, I will dress how I please and everyone else will **** off.

Sure, and more power to you. But you're the one wondering why everybody gives you a hard time, and nobody else shares your experience.

 

[wimwag]

Well, perhaps your problem is partially attitude. Frankly, I think "hip-hop" clothing looks idiotic, but then I don't go around gloating over my refusal to associate with folks who look that way. In fact, I have no such refusal, because it isn't worth my time.

The degree of vehemence on your part engendered by my simple observation speaks to this, I should think. In fact, I've seen you behave like a "lout" here on this very forum. I'm certain you don't comport yourself that way in public, but if one did, one should not be surprised to receive negative reactions.



Perhaps, but I don't wear giant belt buckles or NASCAR shirts, nor do I wear anything else that screams "I'M STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL!", as does all "hip-hop" apparel. It's not the mere fact of having drawn attention to yourself, it's what impression you convey afterwards.

By "western" I mean that I wear nice (albeit colorful) shirts, tucked into reasonably slim jeans, with a belt and boots (I generally wear a ball cap). Colorful shirts might be said to attract attention, but it's almost always of the positive sort, "I love that shirt!". Overall I look adult, and my clothes appear "serious" to folks, in a way that youth attire simply does not.

So, drawing attention to yourself does not necessary predispose others to look negatively upon you. On the other hand, wearing youthful attire as an adult very likely does. And "hip-hop" apparel certainly falls into that category.

(I might interject some prejudice by refining my previous remark: hip-hop clothing is not designed by louts for the sole purpose of attracting attention, it's designed by louts for the sole purpose of giving off a loutish impression in public.)

A good example is OC itself. OC itself "attracts attention". But, that alone does little do predict the response. For instance, I've discovered that a custom 1911 carried in a hand-tooled leather holster is highly likely to attract positive comments from young women, whereas an XD carried in a Safariland rig is highly likely to have people glare and rudely ask you what kind of cop you are (normal folks aren't friendly to cops).



Sure, and more power to you. But you're the one wondering why everybody gives you a hard time, and nobody else shares your experience.

So does backwoods woodtooth lazy eyed redneck clothing. Derrrrrrp lookie herr! Ah gots a dayer stickah on mah tuhruck. Mah maw an paw is brother an sister.

Listen up Cletus. I'm a 6'3" 225 lb man. I look and act like a man. Rarely does anybody speak to me the way you do on here. Were I standing in front of you, you would be quiet.

WCCA tells all.

Yes it does. It tells the story of your failed marriage and domestic abuse.

It's hilarious that he thinks I care about my "record." That's why people read my blog sonny. I can offer you a perspective you don't usually hear from.

On a related note, do you still hand out your business cards? I have your phone number Doug. You gave it to me a few years ago. Remember? I found it in my old wallet a few weeks ago when I was digging out some insurance cards.

 

[marshaul]

Listen up Cletus. I'm a 6'3" 225 lb man. I look and act like a man.

It would seem otherwise.

Were I standing in front of you, you would be quiet.

The irony is intense. :lol:

That's a fairly puerile (dare I say loutish?) thing to say, IMHO.

 

[wimwag]

It would seem otherwise.







The irony is intense. :lol:



That's a fairly puerile (dare I say loutish?) thing to say -- and way to be -- IMHO.

Nonetheless, it's true.

 

[marshaul]

Nonetheless, it's true.

Why do you imagine that is? Would you threaten me with violence for speaking my mind? Or do you imagine your manly presence would intimidate me?

Keep in mind the only thing I've said is that "hip-hop apparel" is childish, and is designed by louts. If you think that's sufficient to warrant intimidation by you, you need to get a check on your emotions.

 

[wimwag]

Why do you imagine that is? Would you threaten me with violence for speaking my mind? Or do you imagine your manly presence would intimidate me?

It's because you're all bravado. Nothing more.

 

[marshaul]

It's because you're all bravado. Nothing more.

And you're prepared to respond to words with force?

 

[wimwag]

What's childish is dressing up like the villain in a 1950s western.

 

[marshaul]

What's childish is dressing up like the villain in a 1950s western.

So you're "all bravado", too?

 

[wimwag]

And you're prepared to respond to words with force?

Straw man. The topic here is your prejudice. You look down on others who don't dress exactly like you. Mark of a bitch.

 

[marshaul]

Straw man. The topic here is your prejudice. You look down on others who don't dress exactly like you. Mark of a bitch.

I don't see how it's a straw man. You've suggested that I would be unwilling to speak to your face because I'm "all bravado". I'm failing to see the connection, unless you're implying you would respond to words with force. If you're man enough to take criticism without becoming violent, I see no reason why I shouldn't tell you what I think.

Furthermore, it's worth noting that you've displayed an equal -- if not greater -- degree of "fashion prejudice" with your unfounded assumptions about the way I dress (I don't have a pickup truck, I don't look like a Western movie character, and I don't look like redneck). So, I guess that makes you "marked".

 

[PistolPackingMomma]

Pwnt.

 

[wimwag]

I don't see how it's a straw man. You've suggested that I would be unwilling to speak to your face because I'm "all bravado". I'm failing to see the connection, unless you're implying you would respond to words with force. If you're man enough to take criticism without becoming violent, I see no reason why I shouldn't tell you what I think.

Furthermore, it's worth noting that you've displayed an equal -- if not greater -- degree of "fashion prejudice" with your unfounded assumptions about the way I dress (I don't have a pickup truck, I don't look like a Western movie character, and I don't look like redneck). So, I guess that makes you "marked".

Apparently you're an idiot. I said you act differently in person. You don't have the big mouth in public that you afford yourself behind the anonymity of the internet.


You tasted your own medicine and didn't like it. Now quit crying.

 

[Franky]

Refrigerate, name calling is such a downer.