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Firearms at Bate's technical College

sirpuma

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Where can I find this info?

https://www.k12.wa.us/profpractices/adminresources/rulesprocess/FAQ.aspx

Granted this is for K-12 but the process is the same for any state agency. Rules are written by the agency committee, submitted to the Office of the Code Reviser and the Statute Law Committee which is made up of state legislators and appointees by the governor. http://www.leg.wa.gov/CodeReviser/Pages/default.aspx http://www.leg.wa.gov/CodeReviser/Pages/statute_law_committee.aspx The OCR then submits the WAC changes to state legislature for approval or disapproval. On approval the new rule is law.

Rule making is governed by the ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE ACT http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=34.05

WAC stands for Washington Administrative Code. WACs are administrative codes, or rules, that are adopted by agencies, including OSPI, to enact legislation and RCWs. The Washington Administrative Code contains all rules that have been adopted, as well as the history of all previously existing WACs and amendments in Washington. OSPI rules are found under Title 392 WAC and the State Board of Education's rules are found under Title 180 WAC.

What are the major steps in the rule-making process?

When proposing a rule those involved often refer to the steps in the process in terms of the rule-making forms agencies must file with the Office of the Code Reviser.

In order to help you understand the different steps and forms, below is an explanation of each step of the process.

The first major step is the filing of the Pre-Proposal Statement of Inquiry (also called the CR-101 form):

When the CR-101 form is filed, notice is provided to the public that the agency is considering developing a new rule, amending an existing rule, or repealing an entire rule or sections of a rule.

The second major step is the filing of the Notice of Proposed Rule Making (also called the CR-102 form): The CR-102 form can not be filed until 30 days after the CR-101 form has been published in the Washington State Register. After this 30 day period an agency can file a CR-102 form at any time.

The CR-102 announces to the public that a change to an OSPI rule is being proposed. Included on this form is a brief description of the rule, the associated WAC number, a copy of the proposed rule text, as well as the date, time, and location of the public hearing(s), the deadline to submit comments, and the process for submitting comments. If appropriate, a Small Business Economic Impact Statement (SBEIS) is filed with this notice.

The last step is the filing of the Rule-making Order (also called the CR-103 form): The CR-103 form can not be filed until on or after the intended adoption date identified on the CR-102 form (Expedited and Emergency rules are exceptions). The maximum time allowed between the publication of the CR-102 form and the filing of a CR-103 form is 180 days. If this deadline is not met the rule making is withdrawn.

The CR-103 form is used to adopt into WAC the proposed rule text that was filed using the CR-102 form. When the CR-103 form is signed by the Agency Director the rule is adopted. Usually, unless specified otherwise, a rule becomes effective 31 days after filing.

How long does it take from the time a rule is proposed (CR-102 form) until it becomes final (CR-103 form)?

A rule can become final between 28 days after filing the CR-102 form and 180 days of the publication of the CR-102 form. No rule can be adopted before the intended adoption date identified on the CR-102. Those rules that are not finalized within 180 days after the publication of the CR-102 form are withdrawn from the process and can no longer be adopted without filing a new CR-102 form.

There are two exceptions to this time frame:

Emergency rules are filed using the CR-103 form. In most situations they become effective immediately.
Expedited rules are filed using an expedited process. Once the rule is proposed there is a 45 day period before the rule can be adopted. On the 46th day, or any day after that, the rule can be adopted and usually becomes effective 31 days later.

At least that is what I get out of all that.
 

J1MB0B

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I found this in the Bate's WAC:

WAC 495A-108-010
Adoption of model rules of procedure.
The model rules of procedure adopted by the chief administrative law judge pursuant to RCW 34.05.250 are adopted for use at this college. Those rules may be found in chapter 10-08 WAC. Other procedural rules adopted in this title are supplementary to the model rules of procedure. In the case of a conflict between the model rules of procedure and procedural rules previously adopted by this college, the model rules prevail.


Reading thru the model rules of procedure I found this:

WAC 10-08-220
Other law.
Nothing in chapter 10-08 WAC is intended to diminish the constitutional rights of any person or to limit or modify additional requirements imposed by statute, including the Administrative Procedure Act.
 

J1MB0B

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The next board meeting is on Jan. 28 @ 3pm.
Clyde Hupp Board Room, downtown campus
1101 S. Yakima Ave.
Tacoma, WA 98405

The meeting agenda is supposed to be public but I have not been able to obtain it so far. All I have to go on is what the campus safety supervisor and the president's administrative assistant told me. That the board will be talking about making changes to the firearms policy, other than that I have nothing to go on. I have compiled a wealth of information so far and my plan is to go to the meeting and see what changes they are proposing. I don't want to go there prepared to make the wrong argument.

I want to say, this isn't just my fight, and it wasn't just Sean's fight at Clover Park. It is the fight of anyone that might seek higher education in the state and anyone that wants to help fill in one of the many small cracks that our gun rights are falling through. Right now there has been no adverse action against me or any other student that I know of. Yet.
I know that some of you have written letters to various agencies and companies throughout the state and spoken to many different people regarding signage and policies/rules regarding firearms restrictions. That's what I need help with, what the hell do I say to these people and how do I say it in a constructive way?

If anyone can make it that has experience dealing with this type of thing and has the ability to speak to a group of people without making themselves sound like a complete idiot (like myself), I would greatly appreciate it.
 
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deanf

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Keep your comments short and pointed. Leave off things like “lifetime NRA platinum/gold/president’s club/plank holding member” or “25 years in the army as an adjutant rear admiral”, etc. No one cares! (in this context.) Those things don’t make you any more credible when it comes to demanding your rights, and mentioning them just bores people and wastes time.

Discuss the law, but leave off the RCW numbers and the names of any case law. Again, these things bore people and don’t serve to make impact. Explain that you will follow up with a letter to the board that explains all the details – that’s where you list RCWs, etc.

In summary, provide the short, pointed, executive summary version in your comments and then follow up in writing with all the details.
 

sudden valley gunner

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Keep your comments short and pointed. Leave off things like “lifetime NRA platinum/gold/president’s club/plank holding member” or “25 years in the army as an adjutant rear admiral”, etc. No one cares! (in this context.) Those things don’t make you any more credible when it comes to demanding your rights, and mentioning them just bores people and wastes time.

Discuss the law, but leave off the RCW numbers and the names of any case law. Again, these things bore people and don’t serve to make impact. Explain that you will follow up with a letter to the board that explains all the details – that’s where you list RCWs, etc.

In summary, provide the short, pointed, executive summary version in your comments and then follow up in writing with all the details.

Sounds like solid advice.

Do have the other info handy though in case someone asks. Someone might be interested in looking up the RCW's at a later date.
 

J1MB0B

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Went to the board meeting today. No mention of firearms on campus or any policy changes at all.
For now Im just going to carry like normal, keep my mouth shut and keep up on the policies.
Thanks for the advice guys.
 
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