Smurfologist
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A while ago, there was a question about OC or CC in a USPO. I received correspondence back from an email that I sent to the Attorney General, State of Virginia, Bob McDonnell Office of the Attorney General on 15 April 2007. I will first post what I sent (with the help of Lockman, of course), and, the response that was sent back on 16 April 2007 (I don't usually check my home email that often because I am hardly here):
15 April, 2007
Attorney General, State of Virginia, Bob McDonnell
Office of the Attorney General
900 East Main Street
Richmond, Virginia 23219
Subject: Exempted Persons under TITLE 18 USC §930 and TITLE 39 §CFR 232.1
Dear Attorney General Bob McDonnell,
I am requesting the Attorney General’s office provide guidance concerning information provided in TITLE 18 USC §930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in federal facilities and TITLE 39CFR §232.1 - Conduct on postal property as to persons exempted and possible conflicts within.
All references to armed persons shall represent persons not otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms under federal, state or local laws and who are authorized, licensed or permitted to carry firearms for any lawful purpose in the state of Virginia. The scope of this inquiry is not intended to include areas of federal facilities considered sterile; whereupon, weapon screening and armed security or police are provided, such as airports or court buildings.
Specifically, I request the following questions to be addressed:
Is self-defense considered “other lawful purpose” under 18 USC §930(d)(3)?
Is the public access area of a postal facility considered a federal facility?
Would a person exempted under 18 USC §930(d)(3) still be subject to prosecution under 39CFR §232.1(l)? If so, is the exemption recognized in 18 USC §930(d)(3) rendered inoperable under any other provisions of federal code?
Under 39CFR §232.1(l) the only exemption is “except for official purposes”. What constitutes “official purposes”? Is the transaction of normal business in the public area of such facility an “official purpose”? If not, would a person licensed or authorized to carry firearms in the course of their business or duties be subject to prosecution if armed while conducting normal business in the public area of such facility if the transaction is not related to their business or duties?
39CFR §232.1(l) does not specify buildings but “postal property”. Does this prohibit the possession of firearms within the approach, collection or parking areas accessible to the public located outside of the buildings?
Forty-eight states allow the carrying of concealed firearms for personal protection, thirty-seven of which are “shall-issue” states. Many states do not require licensure to carry firearms for self-defense as long as the firearms are not concealed. Concealed or open, millions of citizens legally carry firearms for personal defense in the normal course of their daily affairs. Clearly, 18 USC §930(d)(3) does provide exemption for “other lawful purposes”.
It is my intention to share the opinions of the Attorney General’s office on these matters with other individuals and groups to educate people exercising this right to defend themselves and their families. Putting into practice a natural right protected by our Constitution should not place any person in fear of arrest or prosecution.
I trust your opinion will help clarify this matter and provide guidance to prevent well- intentioned persons from becoming entangled in a legal situation that they understood to be constitutionally protected and lawful conduct.
Respectfully submitted,
Smurfologist
Here is the response that was received:
Mr. Smurfologist:
Thank you for contacting the Office of Attorney General Bob McDonnell.
Section 2.2-505 of the Code of Virginia is the statutory provision that authorizes the Attorney General to render official advisory opinions. That section provides as follows:
The Attorney General shall give his advice and render official advisory opinions in writing only when requested in writing so to do by one of the following: the Governor; a member of the General Assembly; a judge of a court of record or a judge of a court not of record; the State Corporation Commission; an attorney for the Commonwealth; a county, city or town attorney in those localities in which such office has been created; a clerk of a court of record; a city or county sheriff; a city or county treasurer or similar officer; a commissioner of the revenue or similar officer; a chairman or secretary of an electoral board; or the head of a state department, division, bureau, institution or board.
Unfortunately, the Attorney General and his staff are required by Virginia law to provide legal advice only to the Governor and to state agencies and are precluded from giving advice to private citizens. However, if one of the above mentioned individuals were to make the request, we would respond directly to that person. I hope that this information is helpful to you.
Sincerely,
Jacqueline A. Kotvas
Office of the Attorney General
Special Assistant for Community Relations
Does anyone know any of the listed that can help us attain the answer that we are seeking? Thanks in advance!
2nd Amendment..........Use it...........Or, lose it!!:X
A while ago, there was a question about OC or CC in a USPO. I received correspondence back from an email that I sent to the Attorney General, State of Virginia, Bob McDonnell Office of the Attorney General on 15 April 2007. I will first post what I sent (with the help of Lockman, of course), and, the response that was sent back on 16 April 2007 (I don't usually check my home email that often because I am hardly here):
15 April, 2007
Attorney General, State of Virginia, Bob McDonnell
Office of the Attorney General
900 East Main Street
Richmond, Virginia 23219
Subject: Exempted Persons under TITLE 18 USC §930 and TITLE 39 §CFR 232.1
Dear Attorney General Bob McDonnell,
I am requesting the Attorney General’s office provide guidance concerning information provided in TITLE 18 USC §930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in federal facilities and TITLE 39CFR §232.1 - Conduct on postal property as to persons exempted and possible conflicts within.
All references to armed persons shall represent persons not otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms under federal, state or local laws and who are authorized, licensed or permitted to carry firearms for any lawful purpose in the state of Virginia. The scope of this inquiry is not intended to include areas of federal facilities considered sterile; whereupon, weapon screening and armed security or police are provided, such as airports or court buildings.
Specifically, I request the following questions to be addressed:
Is self-defense considered “other lawful purpose” under 18 USC §930(d)(3)?
Is the public access area of a postal facility considered a federal facility?
Would a person exempted under 18 USC §930(d)(3) still be subject to prosecution under 39CFR §232.1(l)? If so, is the exemption recognized in 18 USC §930(d)(3) rendered inoperable under any other provisions of federal code?
Under 39CFR §232.1(l) the only exemption is “except for official purposes”. What constitutes “official purposes”? Is the transaction of normal business in the public area of such facility an “official purpose”? If not, would a person licensed or authorized to carry firearms in the course of their business or duties be subject to prosecution if armed while conducting normal business in the public area of such facility if the transaction is not related to their business or duties?
39CFR §232.1(l) does not specify buildings but “postal property”. Does this prohibit the possession of firearms within the approach, collection or parking areas accessible to the public located outside of the buildings?
Forty-eight states allow the carrying of concealed firearms for personal protection, thirty-seven of which are “shall-issue” states. Many states do not require licensure to carry firearms for self-defense as long as the firearms are not concealed. Concealed or open, millions of citizens legally carry firearms for personal defense in the normal course of their daily affairs. Clearly, 18 USC §930(d)(3) does provide exemption for “other lawful purposes”.
It is my intention to share the opinions of the Attorney General’s office on these matters with other individuals and groups to educate people exercising this right to defend themselves and their families. Putting into practice a natural right protected by our Constitution should not place any person in fear of arrest or prosecution.
I trust your opinion will help clarify this matter and provide guidance to prevent well- intentioned persons from becoming entangled in a legal situation that they understood to be constitutionally protected and lawful conduct.
Respectfully submitted,
Smurfologist
Here is the response that was received:
Mr. Smurfologist:
Thank you for contacting the Office of Attorney General Bob McDonnell.
Section 2.2-505 of the Code of Virginia is the statutory provision that authorizes the Attorney General to render official advisory opinions. That section provides as follows:
The Attorney General shall give his advice and render official advisory opinions in writing only when requested in writing so to do by one of the following: the Governor; a member of the General Assembly; a judge of a court of record or a judge of a court not of record; the State Corporation Commission; an attorney for the Commonwealth; a county, city or town attorney in those localities in which such office has been created; a clerk of a court of record; a city or county sheriff; a city or county treasurer or similar officer; a commissioner of the revenue or similar officer; a chairman or secretary of an electoral board; or the head of a state department, division, bureau, institution or board.
Unfortunately, the Attorney General and his staff are required by Virginia law to provide legal advice only to the Governor and to state agencies and are precluded from giving advice to private citizens. However, if one of the above mentioned individuals were to make the request, we would respond directly to that person. I hope that this information is helpful to you.
Sincerely,
Jacqueline A. Kotvas
Office of the Attorney General
Special Assistant for Community Relations
Does anyone know any of the listed that can help us attain the answer that we are seeking? Thanks in advance!
2nd Amendment..........Use it...........Or, lose it!!:X