encounter at the airport

[Machoduck]

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"However, I am too lazy to look up the specific statutes right now, sorry."

Candor is always appreciated. Well, almost always.

MD

 

[joeroket]

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carracer wrote:

Is there a definitive answer to the nonsecured area?  Boise Airport has a sign as you enter the ticket purchasing area that is not in the secured area that states no guns or weapons.

The secured areas of the airports are anything past a TSA Security checkpoint. The non-secured area is anything prior to a TSA checkpoint.

Also since we are talking about Wa. laws you will need to look at Id. laws and see if that is an allowed restriction.

 

[arentol]

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Machoduck wrote:

"However, I am too lazy to look up the specific statutes right now, sorry."

Candor is always appreciated. Well, almost always.

MD

Actually I was just trying to get the post completed so I could go to lunch, but I figured saying I was lazy would get a more interesting response... Which it did.

I am however TIRED of looking up RCW's for people all the time when most of them are discussed in the FAQ, and those that aren't are easily available via this:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=RCW&l=1

 

[Mainsail]

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mtlhdtodd wrote:

Officer: Are you with THAT group?

"Yes, I'm an American."

Seriously though, next time don't engage them in conversation. Whatever comes out of his or her mouth; ask, “Am I being detained?” If you are not, then go about your business. If they don’t answer, ask again.

 

[jbone]

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mtlhdtodd wrote:

Officer: Are you with THAT group?

Me: That's right! that group of American's from the home of the free and the land of the brave, now (a simple nod)

Officer: oh:idea:

 

[Mike]

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carracer wrote:

Is there a definitive answer to the nonsecured area? Boise Airport has a sign as you enter the ticket purchasingarea that is not in the secured area thatstates no guns or weapons.

this would appear to be bogus - we have a map folks: http://www.opencarry.org/airport.html

 

[samaloney2006]

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Very bad idea to try and carry any part of a firearm in your carry on. DO NOT DO IT. It is against the law. A few years ago I was flying from Sacramento to Seattleand I had just purschased a magazine, still in bubble wrap. I almost got in a world of trouble because I did not know at the time no gun parts in carry on. It turned out OK because they let me run back to check in and check through my carry on. Again do not do i.

 

[FunkTrooper]

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Yeah I'll just check it like I normally do with the hammer lock engaged, I just get nervous because I don't want it stolen or anything its very precious to me.

 

[FMCDH]

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Mike wrote:

carracer wrote:

Is there a definitive answer to the nonsecured area? Boise Airport has a sign as you enter the ticket purchasingarea that is not in the secured area thatstates no guns or weapons.

this would appear to be bogus - we have a map folks: http://www.opencarry.org/airport.html

Yea, the thing to remember here guys & gals is that anything outside the TSA security zones are controlled by state law. So, whereas it might differ from state to state or sometimes even from city to city, airports are not "Federal" property in that sense of the term and therefor they cannot restrict firearms or pass laws on the matter within the common areas that are open the general public.

 

[johnfenter]

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The problem with airports is that the Feds, under the Patriot Act, may have more sway than you think. In the course of my FOIA lawsuit here in VA (just google "Fenter v. Norfolk Airport Authority), we discovered that the TSA and the airports believe that they can issue a "classified" Security Directive ordering the search of any vehicle entering or upon airport property. If they can override the 4th Amendment with a CFR section, I'm sure that they also believe that they can override the 2nd Amendment on airport property as well. See 49CFR1542, especially section 303. Bottom line; they don't think state law limits them at all, and if they issue a Security Directive, WE are not allowed to see it.

 

[Zed Snardbody]

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You also have to be careful too. If we find a part of a firearm it is automatically a LEO call for us. So if possessing a firearm is not allowed on airport property the local LEO may elect to cite you under local law.

No firearms, no firearm parts, and no ammunition is allowed in carry on baggage.

Optics are permitted though.

 

[Zed Snardbody]

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joeroket wrote:

carracer wrote:

Is there a definitive answer to the nonsecured area?  Boise Airport has a sign as you enter the ticket purchasing area that is not in the secured area that states no guns or weapons.

The secured areas of the airports are anything past a TSA Security checkpoint. The non-secured area is anything prior to a TSA checkpoint.

Also since we are talking about Wa. laws you will need to look at Id. laws and see if that is an allowed restriction.

I don't want to nit pick I'm just responding for the sake of accuracy. The secured area and Aviation Operations Area are not always behind the checkpoint, but they must always have access control; a card swipe, an attended gate, that sort of thing. These areas can be completely separate from the checkpoint at times.

 

[Nitrox314]

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Notice how after she said "Are you with THAT group?" and he said yes, she stopped bothering him? She knew she was wrong but also knew she was going to be in a battle if she continued. I wonder if the head of security there is telling them about us. It would be great for someone to talk casually with them and find out if they are recieving training about us. The unfortunate part of this encounter is that if he HAD said "What group?", she may have continued the harassment. Law's should be the same across the board not for select groups of people. If its now illegal, she would have continued. She chose not to because he was a part of "THAT group". See what I am saying here?

 

[joeroket]

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Zed Snardbody wrote:

joeroket wrote:

carracer wrote:

Is there a definitive answer to the nonsecured area? Boise Airport has a sign as you enter the ticket purchasingarea that is not in the secured area thatstates no guns or weapons.

The secured areas of the airports are anything past a TSA Security checkpoint. The non-secured area is anything prior to a TSA checkpoint.

Also since we are talking about Wa. laws you will need to look at Id. laws and see if that is an allowed restriction.

I don't want to nit pick I'm just responding for the sake of accuracy. The secured area and Aviation Operations Area are not always behind the checkpoint, but they must always have access control; a card swipe, an attended gate, that sort of thing. These areas can be completely separate from the checkpoint at times.

Hmm seems to me that all those places you listed would be behind A checkpoint of some sort. One of which the general public is allowed to pass through, that one being an attended gate.

 

[phoneguy]

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Last year was there oc member that was handcuffed and hassled in a stair way at Seatac? What became of that story did he have to go to court?

 

[Ajetpilot]

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That was Mainsail. I think he has been told by his attorney not to make any further comments regarding the incident. When it is all over, I'm sure he will have a story to tell.

 

[Bill Starks]

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I tore up the Port's website the other day and could find nothing about weapons or any new rules (unless you count toothpaste & shampoo). I refuse to stir the pot on this one with a letter as the RCW is quite clear.

 

[deanf]

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The Port's rules are available here as a .pdf.

If you look on .pdf page 20, you will find Section 3, General Rule 16.a. It hasn't been updated since May 30 2003. That is the Port's rule in question and the one they use to trespass OCers from the airport with.

We did all the pot-stiring we could back in November, short of a lawsuit, with negative results.

I think the best approach with the Port is to do nothing now and wait for the Seattle question to be settled in court. That will settle the Port question as well.

 

[jddssc121]

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The Port has current pending litigation right now regarding firearms, so they won't share any opinions right now on their rules

 

[jddssc121]

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The Port has current pending litigation right now regarding firearms, so they won't share any opinions right now on their rules