Elderly woman hit by spray at protest

[j4l]

"peaceably to assemble,"

How amazing folks are at totally overlooking the KEY words, when the grab the usual crutches to justify what they do... Just because you may not happen to be tossing Molotovs at the moment doesnt always make a "protest" in any way, "peaceful".
Protest? Great- hold a sign, and whine away- I may even happen to agree with a lot of em in some ways-but cross a particular line in doing so, and you deserve whatever penalty is coming to you.

As for Granny, if she's too dumb to know better by this age, then shame on her. Self-inflicted, I say.

 

[Tawnos]

"peaceably to assemble,"

How amazing folks are at totally overlooking the KEY words, when the grab the usual crutches to justify what they do... Just because you may not happen to be tossing Molotovs at the moment doesnt always make a "protest" in any way, "peaceful".
Protest? Great- hold a sign, and whine away- I may even happen to agree with a lot of em in some ways-but cross a particular line in doing so, and you deserve whatever penalty is coming to you.

As for Granny, if she's too dumb to know better by this age, then shame on her. Self-inflicted, I say.

So the police are okay in your book kicking them out of the public space they were occupying and telling them they could not assemble here, then closing that space and pepper spraying those who were trying to come together to assemble?

 

[j4l]

So the police are okay in your book kicking them out of the public space they were occupying and telling them they could not assemble here, then closing that space and pepper spraying those who were trying to come together to assemble?

Yes, absolutely. Im just such a cold-hearted, evil bastard that I think oridnary citizens should be randomly rounded-up, and pepper-sprayed until they puke up last week's lunch, for no particular reason...

Can we get a facepalm in here, plz?

 

[Daylen]

I'm surprised protestors that are agitating police into using pepper spray are not gearing up with goggles and light air filters to avoid the burn.

 

[j4l]

I'm surprised protestors that are agitating police into using pepper spray are not gearing up with goggles and light air filters to avoid the burn.

Well...think about it a second.. they're out there in the 1st place...not exactly the largest gathering of IQ points we've yet seen in our lifetime, to begin with.. Darwinism, anyone?

 

[Jim675]

Its an escalation issue. Make (the bad kind of) OC useless by picking up a surplus gas mask and the cops use batons.
Wear helmets and pads (like police) and the police go to firearms.

 

[Daylen]

Its an escalation issue. Make (the bad kind of) OC useless by picking up a surplus gas mask and the cops use batons.
Wear helmets and pads (like police) and the police go to firearms.

And then police go to jail for murder... just because someone has taken measures to make your offense ineffective does not mean your life is in jeopardy to justify deadly force. Police don't get to kill people because other methods are ineffective, only if their life is in jeopardy.

 

[Daylen]

Well...think about it a second.. they're out there in the 1st place...not exactly the largest gathering of IQ points we've yet seen in our lifetime, to begin with.. Darwinism, anyone?

You have a point.

 

[j4l]

Always do, lol. May not always be the popular one, or the one folks with minds made up on something, want to hear but..

 

[Tawnos]

I'm surprised protestors that are agitating police into using pepper spray are not gearing up with goggles and light air filters to avoid the burn.

"Agitating police into using pepper spray" = sitting there peacefully with interlocked arms. Doing nothing pisses off people who want you to fight back, want to have a reason to commit violence upon them. That's why they are OC spraying people who have done nothing - to try to cause them to fight, to justify their anger, their rage.

Some protestors do have masks and goggles with various levels of filtration. Most, however, are showing up as they are for a peaceful redress of grievances. You know, one of those rights which was considered so fundamental that some argued it shouldn't even be written down?

 

[beebobby]

I get the impression that some here would have sided with the soldiers at Kent State. Sad really.

 

[jbone]

I get the impression there’s a lot of fact twisting going on here in order to subvert the constitution. It appears many fully sanction the un-peaceful assembly, and abridgment on other’s right's by the occupier’s.

 

[MilProGuy]

I get the impression there’s a lot of fact twisting going on here in order to subvert the constitution. It appears many fully sanction the un-peaceful assembly, and abridgment on other’s right's by the occupier’s.

Well-stated.

 

[jbone]

You are justifying the illegal actions of the police by saying that she should not have been there.

Posted using my HTC Evo

I suppose I may sound that way, but I see it as they caused an equal and opposite reaction. I think we should get past pitting COP against protestors and find the root cause; I have my suspicions. Would we still have a Washington Monument if some never moved past the birdshit as the reason the monument is crumbling? Reality is the COPS and protestors are not the root cause!

The side I take is that the COPS provided an equal and opposite reaction to the un-peaceful protestors.

 

[beebobby]

I wonder how some of the anti-1st amendment crowd would have handled the original tea party protests. You know, illegally bording ships and destroying property. I guess you can only use your 1st amendment rights if you have the permission of the govt. you are protesting.

 

[Daylen]

I wonder how some of the anti-1st amendment crowd would have handled the original tea party protests. You know, illegally bording ships and destroying property. I guess you can only use your 1st amendment rights if you have the permission of the govt. you are protesting.

This crap is more like Shay's Rebellion.

 

[jbone]

I wonder how some of the anti-1st amendment crowd would have handled the original tea party protests. You know, illegally bording ships and destroying property. I guess you can only use your 1st amendment rights if you have the permission of the govt. you are protesting.

I wonder if OWS realizes there are areas under the 1st that are not protected, of course they do!


1773 is apples and apples, crony capitalism then and now. So then why haven't the occupiers taken over Michael Moore’s, or the Nancy's house? This WH along with the 111[SUP]th[/SUP] has done great harm to the economy. Tell the dopes to occupy their welfare daddy’s front lawn if they are sick of it. Have them ask politicians while they sit in other’s feces in the encampment why members of congress sit upon the finesse porcelain money can buy. Must be that insider trading that you and I would go to prison for that makes them rich; placing them in bed with WS. The occupiers are clueless! They are barking up the wrong tree, WS is not the root cause, WS has sold us out, but those who bought them are the reason we are in trouble.

 

[marshaul]

If the reason they are in the intersection is because the cops kicked them out of the park, then the cops have no right to interfere. Just because you disagree with their protest, doesn't mean you should be boot licking those who are violating our constitution.

The crackdowns on OWS amount to "contempt of cop" retaliation on a very large scale.

The fact that not just Americans in general, but pro-rights Americans on this very forum are cheering wholesale abuse disgusts and sickens me.

:banghead:

I agree with these posts.

 

[marshaul]

This crap is more like Shay's Rebellion.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

-Jefferson regarding Shay's rebellion

 

[jbone]

Unless I missed it, I haven’t heard much from the Granny who was sprayed, guess she figures all in a day’s radical left protest.


But this one, the 19 year old doubted by her own parents in the claims that miscarriage was by the hand of police. Again, must be all in a day’s radical left protest. Accuses but fails to provide, and resists supplying any proof that would substantiate her claim. I’d not be surprised it the investigation finds the loss resulted from her own lack of controls, and care for self and fetus.

Another case of liberals blaming others for their own actions, or inactions?


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016829484_occupybaby23m.html