Do not Support HB 195 if you like beer

[stealthyeliminator]

I have been focused on HB195 for so long , I don't know.

Just to be clear, I like Hb195

I would like one sentence change.

(8) while intoxicated AND handles or uses such handgun in either a negligent
or unlawful manner or discharges it other than in self-defense;


I have contacted the author but have had no response.

I agree that would be a good adjustment. Lacking that adjustment, though, I'm not willing to sabotage HB195 as you seem to be. I don't believe this issue makes HB195 a "bad" bill.

I will be in Austin soon, if I have an opportunity to talk to Stickland I'll try to bring this up and see if he will attempt this adjustment.

 

[zekester]

I agree that would be a good adjustment. Lacking that adjustment, though, I'm not willing to sabotage HB195 as you seem to be. I don't believe this issue makes HB195 a "bad" bill.

I will be in Austin soon, if I have an opportunity to talk to Stickland I'll try to bring this up and see if he will attempt this adjustment.

I have sent him an email.....

It is not entirely a "bad bill".....the language is up for discussion.

Like I said, it is one sentence.

I am not trying to sabotage anything, I also realize that this bill even seeing a vote on the floor is very remote.

I would like to help.

I am a stickler for language. You give them an inch....they will take your rights.

 

[WalkingWolf]

It is my right to ignore all your BS!!!

IGNORED....like a thousand people on here

Besides.....GOD gives me rights.....not the Constitution

The bible makes it clear that it is a sin to drink in excess, so God clearly has not given anybody the right to get drunk.

Proverbs 23:20-21English Standard Version (ESV)

20 Be not among drunkards[a]
or among gluttonous eaters of meat,
21 for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty,
and slumber will clothe them with rags.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17English Standard Version (ESV)

16 Do you not know that you[a] are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

Romans 13:14 ESV / 107 helpful votes

But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

Amos 6:4-7 ESV / 38 helpful votes

“Woe to those who lie on beds of ivory and stretch themselves out on their couches, and eat lambs from the flock and calves from the midst of the stall, who sing idle songs to the sound of the harp and like David invent for themselves instruments of music, who drink wine in bowls and anoint themselves with the finest oils, but are not grieved over the ruin of Joseph! Therefore they shall now be the first of those who go into exile, and the revelry of those who stretch themselves out shall pass away.”

Ecclesiastes 10:17 ESV / 38 helpful votes

Happy are you, O land, when your king is the son of the nobility, and your princes feast at the proper time, for strength, and not for drunkenness!

Galatians 5:19-21 ESV / 32 helpful votes

Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Proverbs 20:1 ESV / 18 helpful votes

Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

Romans 13:11-14 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

Just a small number of references in the bible that getting drunk is NOT a god given right. You can have your booze, but you can't have your own personal facts.

 

[zekester]

Looks like this thread is dead....which is probaly a good thing...

I feel that some here feel that all I want is the opportunity to carry a weapon while I am intoxicated.

This could not be further from the truth.

I want the opportunity to defend myself, if by chance I am "legally intoxicated", at the moment I may need to defend myself or my family.

It is that simple and this law will not allow that, even in my home. (with a handgun)

 

[MAC702]

I feel that some here feel that all I want is the opportunity to carry a weapon while I am intoxicated.

This could not be further from the truth.

I want the opportunity to defend myself, if by chance I am "legally intoxicated", at the moment I may need to defend myself or my family.

It is that simple and this law will not allow that.

Well said, especially considering that "legally intoxicated" is significantly different than drunk most of the time.

That said, I've heard there is an excess of Axis deer in your part of Texas. Let me know if you know some property that needs them culled out a little! I just drove past Uvalde on my way in from getting a few Whitetail in Bexar County.

 

[zekester]

Well said, especially considering that "legally intoxicated" is significantly different than drunk most of the time.

That said, I've heard there is an excess of Axis deer in your part of Texas. Let me know if you know some property that needs them culled out a little! I just drove past Uvalde on my way in from getting a few Whitetail in Bexar County.

Next time through give me a shout.....I am sure I can come up with something

 

[zekester]

I am going to post this one last time

You can read it anyway you want....but the language is clear...

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS
Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally,
knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a
handgun;
(8) While intoxicated

person intentionally carries on or about his or her person a
handgun; (8) While intoxicated

knowingly carries on or about his or her person a
handgun; (8) While intoxicated

No exception for home, office or anywhere.....even for self defense

Have a few beers, shoot a home intruder with "handgun"....go to jail

 

[WalkingWolf]

You can read it anyway you want....but the language is clear...

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS
Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN
(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally,
knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a
handgun;
(8) While intoxicated

And I am going to repeat this one more time~~you have no right to be intoxicated while having a firearm on or about your person. It is not a constitutional right or a god given right. The bible clearly describes gluttony as a sin. The law is responsible, drinking in excess and carrying is not.

 

[MAC702]

We have a similar issue in NV, as the prohibition on carrying a concealed firearm (C Felony) has no exception for personal private property, including one's own home. It's just piss-poor lawmaking.

 

[zekester]

amen

We have a similar issue in NV, as the prohibition on carrying a concealed firearm (C Felony) has no exception for personal private property, including one's own home. It's just piss-poor lawmaking.

yepper

 

[zekester]

Thread dead

Let us move on..I have made my point, and some disagree, and some support me.

Lets go on to getting Texas open carry with the least amount of restrictions we can, but also with the knowledge that the more restrictions we give them now, the harder it will be to get it back later.