Do Not Speak to Law Enforcement Following A Shooting

[MSC 45ACP]

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Its been proven (in court and autopsies) that we will react under stress the same way we do in training... good or bad. Back when a lot of LEOs carried revolvers,they were taught at the range to empty their brass into their hand and then into a pocket so it was easier to clean up the range later. They had cops that died because of slow reloading.They had pockets full of spent casings.

You've been in the habit to pick up brass as soon as it hits the ground/floor. You can't resist picking it up any more than Pavlov's dogs could prevent themselves from salivating when the bell was rung.

I saw it firsthand at Camp Perry. The reloaders were there with butterfly nets to catch my brass mid-air before it hit the ground. Some caught it barehandedwhile it was still warm enough to burn their hands.:banghead:

It got so out of hand (and distracting to shooters on the line) that the range boss had to prohibit the practice and remind EVERY LINE that came up about the prohibition. I used to smile and laugh inwardly when a civilian shooter would ask me if I wanted my brass and if not, if he could have it. I was a military shooter. I didn't reload because Uncle Sam Provideth (at the time) and I didn't reload. We definitely couldn't keep it and sell it later. Something about selling government property. You may get your peepee slapped if you give government property away, but you get your butt in a sling if you SELL government property.

Back OT: I don't think it would be a big deal if you were found with the brass in your pocket. If they found it somewhere ELSE, then it may be a bit harder to explain...

 

[ixtow]

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Here's to hoping I never have to find out.

 

[CharlesC]

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Why even ask if you are a suspect? These days they don't have "suspects" they have "person of interest." It is the same thing but it allows them to get away with more crap.

Face it, if you shot someone you ARE a suspect.

 

[ixtow]

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The aspect of a defensive shooting that few people, even judges and prosecutors rarely even look at, is that there is no question of if you shot somebody. Duh, you did.

But, was it a crime to do so? The Officer On Scene is just plain going to assume you have committed murder. And it makes sense to, according to the process he has been aprt of for so long.

You determine crime by adding up factors.

1) Did you have sex with that woman?

2) Did she consent?

If the answers are yes and no, respectively, that ADDs up to rape. Is there anything MORE you can ADD to it that will negate it? Nope. Non-consensual sex is rape. If you did it in a tree, or while drunk, it doesn't matter. There is no crime that can be negated by adding more factors.

EXCEPT, for a defensive Shooting. Normally:

1) Did you shoot that guy?

2) Is he dead?

If the answers are yes and yes, then you have committed murder........ UNLESS you ADD in the 3rd condition.

3) He was trying to kill me and that is the only reason I did it. I had to stop the threat.

It isn't part of any other crime investigation to attempt to ADD something in to re-define a crime as a nothing. How many self-defense shooting do you think Officer Joe has responded to in his career? How many dead bodies has he made acquaintance with who were NOT created in self-defense?

It is unintentionally Pavlovian. Every day of that Officer's life, he is adding things up and seeing where it goes. Once it adds up to a crime, his job is done, PC, arrest. That's how it works in every other thing he does. So he applies the same when he finds you.

So, don't talk to him. It won't help. He is predisposed, simply by how the job works, or some personal prejudice; it doesn't matter. He isn't your friend. Shut your damn mouth.

 

[MSC 45ACP]

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ixtow wrote:

...So, don't talk to him. It won't help. He is predisposed, simply by how the job works, or some personal prejudice; it doesn't matter. He isn't your friend. Shut your damn mouth.

DARN Well-put, ixtow!

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[Nelson_Muntz]

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MSC 45ACP wrote:

ixtow wrote:

...So, don't talk to him. It won't help. He is predisposed, simply by how the job works, or some personal prejudice; it doesn't matter. He isn't your friend. Shut your damn mouth.

DARN Well-put, ixtow!

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Good job.

 

[FMCDH]

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Nelson_Muntz wrote:

MSC 45ACP wrote:

ixtow wrote:

...So, don't talk to him. It won't help. He is predisposed, simply by how the job works, or some personal prejudice; it doesn't matter. He isn't your friend. Shut your damn mouth.

DARN Well-put, ixtow!

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Good job.

I will give it a tap...

+3!

 

[lax]

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jaredbelch wrote:

Chances are 911 will try and call back... don't answer.  Immediately dial your lawyers number before police arrive and you are detained and arrested;

Ted Kennedy contacted the lawyer first then the police.

 

[ixtow]

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lax wrote:

jaredbelch wrote:

Chances are 911 will try and call back... don't answer. Immediately dial your lawyers number before police arrive and you are detained and arrested

Ted Kennedy contacted the lawyer first then the police.

An interesting point...

But Ted Kenedy drove a car into the water... He had all the time in the world to help that girl himself.

If I just put 4 rounds COM and 2 headshots cuz he still didn't go down... I'm pretty sure the Paramedics or the Police are going to have little help for the guy... Stick a fork in 'im, he's done.

Just as with the fact that I had to choose "him, or me," I'd say covering my ass is a priority now that the schmuck is beyond all hope... Maybe it isn't such a bad idea to call your lawyer first, or even only?? After that kind of traumatic/adrenalin situation, who knows what you might say, even if you know damn well you should keep your mouth shut?

If the guy has already lost a gallon of blood, and most of his head is missing by the time you even find your phone.... I think it is pretty safe to say that no form of medicine known to man is ever going to help him anyway...