RTA acknowledges it's publicly owned property
BUT, that addresses only part of the problem. Signage only *may* be changed, and RTA's anti-gun policies remain unchanged (see the Rules of the Road and Code of Conduct).
In a series of back and forth e-mails, starting with post #70 on this thread, the following communications took place (read from bottom to top):
(red bold below is mine) NOTE - the "memo" referred to in Mr. Donaghy's response was from **2009**.
From: Donaghy, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:57 AM
To: me
Subject: RE: Dayton RTA - records request regarding "private property" signage - **FOLLOWUP II**
RTA property is publicly owned. RTA signage is likely to change, replacing the word “private” with “RTA” or “GDRTA”.
From: me
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:01 AM
To: Donaghy, Mark
Subject: RE: Dayton RTA - records request regarding "private property" signage - **FOLLOWUP II**
Mr. Donaghy,
I’m not sure what you mean by “overthinking”.
Let me cut to the chase by asking a simple yes/no question: Are you saying that in fact the Wright Transit Stop is public property open to the public, not private property as posted?
Cordially,
me
PS – this is not to be construed as a withdrawal of my outstanding records requests
From: Donaghy, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:43 AM
To: me
Subject: Re: Dayton RTA - records request regarding "private property" signage - **FOLLOWUP**
Yes
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 14, 2016, at 10:26 PM, BB62 wrote:
Does the attached document contain the ‘memo’ you are referring to?
From: Donaghy, Mark
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 8:07 PM
To: me
Subject: Re: Dayton RTA - records request regarding "private property" signage - **FOLLOWUP**
The memo from me to John Thomas regarding verbiage for WSP signs. I believe it was sent ahead of the large quantities of documents.
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 14, 2016, at 7:15 PM, BB62 wrote:
Mr. Donaghy,
I was sent more than a thousand pages of documents in response to a prior records request. What ‘memo’ (referred to in your #1 and #2 response below) are you referring to?
Please attach it to your response, as a response.
Cordially,
me
From: Donaghy, Mark
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 6:55 PM
To: me
Subject: RE: Dayton RTA - records request regarding "private property" signage - **FOLLOWUP**
Here is an update by item:
1. We have found no documents other than the memo sent to you regarding verbiage for the signs.
2. Again, the memo sent is the only document we have identified.
3. There are no such documents
4. We do not have documents that address this request.
I think you may be overthinking this. As you may have noted by reading what we sent and our facilities code, all references other than the signage refer to property as RTA or GDRTA Property, not private property. The memo we provided was the only reference we found.
Mark
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ORIGINAL REQUEST:
From: me
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:39 PM
To: RTA's outside counsel
Cc: above identified people
Subject: Dayton RTA - records request regarding "private property" signage
Mr. Hollingsworth,
Attached are pictures of three of the numerous posted signs claiming that the Wright Transit Stop (adjacent to RTA’s headquarters in downtown Dayton) is private property.
Also attached is the deed to the transfer of the land that makes up the transit stop, clearly identifying RTA as a political subdivision of the State of Ohio. As RTA’s outside counsel, I’m sure you know that political subdivisions don’t own *private* property. Coupled together with RTA’s dubious claim of apparent authority to regulate firearm carry, I’m sure you understand my ongoing skepticism.
Under Ohio’s open records laws please provide me the following:
1) Electronic copies of communications discussing designating (and/or whether or not to designate) the transit stop as private property, via various methods such as posting/painting of signage.
2) Electronic copies of communications/directives/memos etc. instructing an individual, department or entity to post or paint signage indicating/claiming that the Transit Stop is private property.
3) Electronic copies of communications to non-RTA entities indicating/claiming that the transit stop is private property.
4) Electronic copies of bills or other records which indicate/show the cost of the above described signage/postings/paintings/notifications.
Although I’ve only referenced the Wright Transit Stop in the above four requests, if communications/costs/etc. are found to be applicable to, or reference RTA’s similarly posted (as “private property”) transit stops/centers/parking areas/garages, etc, please include them in your response also.
Cordially,
me