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Cross draw vests?

Sparky508

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I don't live in TX. My state doesn't care what kind of holster you use. It's your gun, your trial, look up what you want. Makes no difference to me. I'm going to bed now. Good day :)

Fortunately, for the good citizens of TX, this thread nor the OP reside there either.
 

Grapeshot

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Yea that's not how it works. You claim law and you want me to google something that doesn't exist? You made a claim, now you cite the RCW.

I don't live in TX. My state doesn't care what kind of holster you use. It's your gun, your trial, look up what you want. Makes no difference to me. I'm going to bed now. Good day :)

Disappointing response Nang pa. Sparky is right - your responsibility.

"Unconcealed handguns, loaded or unloaded, must be carried in a shoulder or belt holster."
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/legal/newlegislation.htm

Why do some think that a belt holster cannot also be a cross draw holster?
 

nonameisgood

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From the TxDPS website:
TxDPS website said:
"Unconcealed handguns, loaded or unloaded, must be carried in a shoulder or belt holster."

From the bill/law, as an example since the same phrase is used throughout the open carry revisions:
HB910 said:
"SECTION 45. Section 46.02(a-1), Penal Code, is amended to
read as follows:
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person
intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or
her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned
by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view, unless the person is
licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411,
Government Code, and the handgun is carried in a shoulder or belt
holster;
or...

Proposed House Amendment 3 used the phrase "visibly holstered" without limiting to "belt or shoulder holster". This amendment was tabled.
Proposed House Amendment 4 would have required a retention holster. This amendment was tabled.

Seems to be common sense and legally defensible that something described as a "chest holster" or a "crossdraw vest" is not strictly a "belt or shoulder holster." I would also guess that a thigh rig is not a belt holster in common vernacular. The legislature was specific with the use of "belt or shoulder holster", when "holster" would have sufficed. While my guesses are just that, I would also guess that thigh rigs and chest holsters are particular examples of methods of open carry they intended to prohibit (by omission.) While I think we should always craft laws that limit specific things rather than permit only specific things, that is not what they did here. The vague but not too vague phrasing leaves room to litigate. If someone wants to be a test case and risk giving us a black eye, they can give this a try. As with many things, people will push a little too far for no good purpose and then the rest of us will hear the phrase, "this is why we can't have nice things... another goof with a gun."
Someone with a physical need to carry this way, NOT just in a mood for confrontation or a desire to "become a victim of the law", should be the test case. On my motorcycle, a thigh rig would be most convenient, but I will be able to carry to the letter of the law and will choose to do so. For Now. I may change my mind since having a pistol on the belt or against my rib cage may increase my risk of serious injury in a mishap.
We can push for expansion in the Legislature, not the courts - unless exigent circumstance or to accommodate physical limitations require taking a course of litigation.
 

MSG Laigaie

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From the TxDPS website:

Well thank you for that excerpt. I will take issue with it in a moment.

Jsanchez is in Washington state and as of a few minutes ago there is no limitation here on the style of holster to be used. A chest rig would be "legal" but ostentatious.

On the drop leg holster.
It is attached to the belt and tied at the thigh, very much like the cowboy rigs that I use occasionally. A Super Blackhawk on a low slung holster (RH) or a Nagant in a low slung crossdraw are both tied at the thigh. Would they too be not legal by your law? I see this as a difficulty in semantics that can get someone arrested at the whim of a LEO.
 

nonameisgood

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Oops. I'm not sure how I got to your state, since I never venture outside my own on this forum for just this reason.
I'll blame Tapatalk, since it's sometimes hard to know where I am. Sorry for the transgression.


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Freedom1Man

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You do realize that you have failed to follow forum rules by not citing the law that you claimed existed.

You have also failed common sense 101 by trying to apply out of state law in a state that does not care what another state says. Guess what, you can buy and smoke marijuana legally, note I am posting in the Washington State (not to be confused with the district of criminals) sub-forum. So, the presumption is that we are talking about Washington state laws (RCWs) when referring to the law.

Now either please, cite the RCW that prohibits cross-draw holsters, or simply apologize for making a mistake/misstatement.

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Nang pa

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You do realize that you have failed to follow forum rules by not citing the law that you claimed existed.

You have also failed common sense 101 by trying to apply out of state law in a state that does not care what another state says. Guess what, you can buy and smoke marijuana legally, note I am posting in the Washington State (not to be confused with the district of criminals) sub-forum. So, the presumption is that we are talking about Washington state laws (RCWs) when referring to the law.

Now either please, cite the RCW that prohibits cross-draw holsters, or simply apologize for making a mistake/misstatement.

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My goal was to give a general comment in guidance, and I accomplished that. It's important to know the laws of your area cold, and if I ever carry in Washington, I will as well.
 

Nang pa

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Grapeshot

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Originally Posted by Grapeshot
Disappointing response Nang pa. Sparky is right - your responsibility.

"Unconcealed handguns, loaded or unloaded, must be carried in a shoulder or belt holster."
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl...egislation.htm

Why do some think that a belt holster cannot also be a cross draw holster?

I thought someone corrected me that this thread was about Washington, not TX. *confused*

Regardless of which state sub-forum, it is your responsibility to cite.
 

Nang pa

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Which you neither acknowledge nor deliver.
I thought I had, but it seems that post disappeared. I've seen this before, maybe we should notify a mod of a server malfunction.

Anyway, had I realized this,was about Washington I would not commented beyond my first post, since I know very little about Washington carry law.
 
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Grapeshot

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I thought I had, but it seems that post disappeared. I've seen this before, maybe we should notify a mod of a server malfunction.

Anyway, had I realized this,was about Washington I would not commented beyond my first post, since I know very little about Washington carry law.
There is no server malfuction.

We'll leave it at you that you went beyond your intention/knowledge.
 

Nang pa

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There is no server malfuction.
I wouldn't know. I've left a thread informing the mods &/or admin, whoever reads it.

We'll leave it at you that you went beyond your intention/knowledge.
I said as much in the post that vanished.

Anyway, legal or not that vest says 'mall ninja' all over it and is imo a 'no-go'.
 
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Nang pa

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You have incoming PM.
Tapatalk notifies me of a verity of activity, including new posts in active threads, being quoted, and recieving PMs. It's a handy little app, but unfortunately it does not distinguish between mods and regular memers as it doesn't show user titles, diferent name colors, signatures, the [MOD] box, etc.

Here's how your post above appears on my device:
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Tapatalk used to ignore thread bans but that was fixed a few months back. It can also get buggy when it comes to emotes and pics. It's come a long way this year, though.
 
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Grapeshot

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Tapatalk notifies me of a verity of activity, including new posts in active threads, being quoted, and recieving PMs. It's a handy little app, but unfortunately it does not distinguish between mods and regular memers as it doesn't show user titles,diferent name colors, signatures, the [MOD] box, etc.

Here's how your post above appears on my device:
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If using that app prevents you from reading/replying with full information in order to post responsibly, that is your problem not ours and you are the one who will be held responsible.

This exchange is very much off topic for this thread will have repercussions if continued.
 
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