Courthouse carry?

[Metal_Monkey]

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So from another post it appears that they are not allowed to ask for ID when locking your pistola up. What if you come in concealed though. I'm assuming they can ask for that?

Noteidn't wanna make an entire post, but I didn't wanna highjack someones thread.

Edit: Also do I have to give them my name? It is illegal for them to view serial numbers also?

 

[Son_of_Perdition]

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I'm not sure so I really should sit back and let the experts answer.If it is legal or not, if you come in concealed and unconceal it. That might give them grounds to ask to see your permit. I could see it going down like that.

 

[Aryk45XD]

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I gave them my name and let them keep the key. He never asked or wanted to look at the pistol though. The officer was very kind and went out of his way to walk me back to the lock boxes while on his break. He also was very understanding and struck up a good conversation, so I let him have some slack. I have only been there once though.

BTW, I was OC and he never asked for ID.

 

[joeroket]

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Son_of_Perdition wrote:

I'm not sure so I really should sit back and let the experts answer.

post whore.


If you come in concealed they most certainly can ask you for your CPL. You do not have to give them your name I suppose, but it would be handy in getting your pistol back, how are they to know you are the one who owns it. Once you hand them your pistol and the serial number is in plain sight then it falls under the plain sight rule. If the serial is covered then it would be unlawful for them to seek it out.

 

[Aryk45XD]

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NavyLT wrote:

How are they supposed to know who to give the pistol back to if they don't know who they got it from?!?

I was led to believe the key to your box that they give you will identify the contents of the box as yours.
It may be a good idea to place a piece of black tape on the holster securing your firearm so they can't just pull your gun out if you are worried about the serial.

 

[Son_of_Perdition]

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joeroket wrote:

Son_of_Perdition wrote:

I'm not sure so I really should sit back and let the experts answer.

post whore.

Nice.

No one had answered yet and anyone that posts a question hates waiting around for an answer to pop up. It is sometimes like watching paint dry. I'm sorry for trying to contribute to the conversation.

 

[gogodawgs]

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It is going to depend on the courthouse. The size and layout.

Fife City Courthouse:

Went to the door and announced I had a weapon to check. Private security didn't quite know what to do, so he called for the police. They came out, I explained I had a weapon and it was a paddle holster so it could be removed from my waist without being un-holstered. The officer was ok with that and I handed the firearm in the holster to the officer, who opened a lock box mounted on the wall a few feet away. I was given a ticket for the lock box. (They only had 2 boxes). No ID, CPL or anything else. After court I went back to the officers and they came out and unlocked the box and I retrieved my firearm and put it back on my pants and left.

Tacoma-Pierce Courthouse:

I visited on 2 different days.

Day 1

I go into the courthouse and up to the metal detector/x ray and ask for a weapon to check. I am told to wait out in the foyer between the inside and outside doors. After a few minutes an officer comes with a form to fill out he says they require ID and your CPL (I was going in to have it renewed). I asked why he would need it and he said so they get your gun back to the right person. He also gave me a redemption ticket to retrieve my firearm. I told him I was carrying openly and didn't need to have it, he really didn't have an answer but I went along. He filled out my ID, CPL and had me sign the form. I explained my paddle holster. He explained to me that he would take it into their secure room (with a tube) and unload the weapon, unload the magazine and return the weapon to me in a brown paper bag. He explained it was for officer safety. When I came back out sure enough it was unloaded and every round was loose in a brown paper bag. He asked if I wanted to be escorted to my vehicle, I declined.

In retrospect, I should of explained to him two things: 1) I came to the courthouse with a loaded firearm, clearly the officer safety thing is a phony argument. 2) Next time I will have him escort me to my vehicle, which will be left at home as I will take the bus and ask for him to escort me home.

Day 2

I had to go back because I was a day early to renew. I go in and request a weapon to check. I wait in the foyer and an officer comes out with the same form. I filled it out this time and went to renew my CPL. He gave me a redemption ticket to pick up my firearm. This time when I come out my firearm is in the brown paper bag but has not been touched. The officer said since he knew why I was there he left it loaded and in the holster.

 

[Jayd1981]

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I would be pissed if they messed with my weapon (unloading it or changing it in any way)while it was in thier custody.

And here is the section on lock boxes per RCW 9.41.300. Notice it says nothing about requiring ID.

In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building.

 

[Aaron1124]

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It would seem that they would only ask for ID if you were concealing, thus having to provide your CPL. When I checked my weapon, I went in concealing, so they wrote down my ID and CPL info. I would WANT them to see my ID regardless, just to be sure that nothing gets mixed up, and no one else accidentally gets my firearm.

 

[gogodawgs]

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Aaron1124 wrote:

It would seem that they would only ask for ID if you were concealing, thus having to provide your CPL. When I checked my weapon, I went in concealing, so they wrote down my ID and CPL info. I would WANT them to see my ID regardless, just to be sure that nothing gets mixed up, and no one else accidentally gets my firearm.

Ok,

Scenario:

I am new to the State of Wa and have no DL, ID as it was lost in the move. I know I can open carry and am going to the courthouse for a matter unrelated to having a DL, ID or CPL.

Now what? The law gives two options to the courthouse; a) lock box b) an official for safe keeping

 

[Aaron1124]

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gogodawgs wrote:

Aaron1124 wrote:

It would seem that they would only ask for ID if you were concealing, thus having to provide your CPL. When I checked my weapon, I went in concealing, so they wrote down my ID and CPL info. I would WANT them to see my ID regardless, just to be sure that nothing gets mixed up, and no one else accidentally gets my firearm.

Ok,

Scenario:

I am new to the State of Wa and have no DL, ID as it was lost in the move. I know I can open carry and am going to the courthouse for a matter unrelated to having a DL, ID or CPL.

Now what? The law gives two options to the courthouse; a) lock box b) an official for safe keeping

Then you obviously don't have to present any I.D.. It's not really what I'm talking about though, because I never said that I feel it should be required by law. I simply said that I would feel more comfortable, myself, providing my I.D. to associate myself with my firearm in case of a potential mix up.

 

[gogodawgs]

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Aaron1124 wrote:

gogodawgs wrote:

Aaron1124 wrote:

It would seem that they would only ask for ID if you were concealing, thus having to provide your CPL. When I checked my weapon, I went in concealing, so they wrote down my ID and CPL info. I would WANT them to see my ID regardless, just to be sure that nothing gets mixed up, and no one else accidentally gets my firearm.

Ok,

Scenario:

I am new to the State of Wa and have no DL, ID as it was lost in the move. I know I can open carry and am going to the courthouse for a matter unrelated to having a DL, ID or CPL.

Now what? The law gives two options to the courthouse; a) lock box b) an official for safe keeping

Then you obviously don't have to present any I.D.. It's not really what I'm talking about though, because I never said that I feel it should be required by law. I simply said that I would feel more comfortable, myself, providing my I.D. to associate myself with my firearm in case of a potential mix up.

Don't get me wrong, I understand and thought the same thing at the time. But then I always try to look the law and policy from a different point of view. This time I asked myself, "shouldn't the law be unbiased in this circumstance?" And how would you do that. And I think that the RCW already handles that issue. Provide a lockbox and give the "key to a weapon owner." The key equals ownership of the weapon. Or give to an official for safekeeping. He gave me a 'redemption ticket' with a number on it which equals my ownership. Even at the Tacoma-Pierce building where the line for your CPL is in plain view of the door, I never saw another check a weapon. Is getting a weapon confused really a problem?

RCW 9.41.300
"In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building."

 

[Aaron1124]

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gogodawgs wrote:

Aaron1124 wrote:

gogodawgs wrote:

Aaron1124 wrote:

It would seem that they would only ask for ID if you were concealing, thus having to provide your CPL. When I checked my weapon, I went in concealing, so they wrote down my ID and CPL info. I would WANT them to see my ID regardless, just to be sure that nothing gets mixed up, and no one else accidentally gets my firearm.

Ok,

Scenario:

I am new to the State of Wa and have no DL, ID as it was lost in the move. I know I can open carry and am going to the courthouse for a matter unrelated to having a DL, ID or CPL.

Now what? The law gives two options to the courthouse; a) lock box b) an official for safe keeping

Then you obviously don't have to present any I.D.. It's not really what I'm talking about though, because I never said that I feel it should be required by law. I simply said that I would feel more comfortable, myself, providing my I.D. to associate myself with my firearm in case of a potential mix up.

Don't get me wrong, I understand and thought the same thing at the time. But then I always try to look the law and policy from a different point of view. This time I asked myself, "shouldn't the law be unbiased in this circumstance?" And how would you do that. And I think that the RCW already handles that issue. Provide a lockbox and give the "key to a weapon owner." The key equals ownership of the weapon. Or give to an official for safekeeping. He gave me a 'redemption ticket' with a number on it which equals my ownership. Even at the Tacoma-Pierce building where the line for your CPL is in plain view of the door, I never saw another check a weapon. Is getting a weapon confused really a problem?

RCW 9.41.300
"In addition, the local legislative authority shall provide either a stationary locked box sufficient in size for pistols and key to a weapon owner for weapon storage, or shall designate an official to receive weapons for safekeeping, during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building. The locked box or designated official shall be located within the same building used in connection with court proceedings. The local legislative authority shall be liable for any negligence causing damage to or loss of a weapon either placed in a locked box or left with an official during the owner's visit to restricted areas of the building."

Here's why I'm a bit iffy of the weapon lock box. (At least at one of the King County Court houses in Seattle) When I went to check my weapon, I noticed there was already another weapon in there, right below where I placed mine. They didn't do anything to identify my weapon to associate it with me. They just told me to place it in there and close it up. They kept the keys though. They then wrote down my CPL info, and my ID number. When I went to pick it up, they opened the box, and told me to remove my firearm. They weren't even paying entirely too much attention to me when I removed my firearm, which surprised me, considering I now have my loaded firearm in my possession, and I could have grabbed the other firearm. Their attention wasn't really directed on me at the time. Sort of a weird, flaky experience.

Another thing to add, is when I went to check my weapon, they failed to have me pass through the metal detector again, after my weapon was checked. I could have been concealed another weapon and brought it in the court room, had I been a bad guy.

 

[Metal_Monkey]

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NavyLT wrote:

How are they supposed to know who to give the pistol back to if they don't know who they got it from?!?

In my experience....they know...they just do.... I even had an officer in Seattle thank me for packing....

Now in the Seattle one they hold the key...in Marysvile, Everett, Lynnwood, and somewhere else I forget at the moment...all seam like they do what they want...and none follow any law that I know of or seen. So I love the post's(keep em coming), but It would be very nice to get some RCW's if anyone has them. It just seams to me they make a bigger deal out of it, but I am pretty sure...they have written my numbers down. I have seen a few to many snoopy officers.

 

[1245A Defender]

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i think if i knew i would need to check a weapon, i would bring my own "plain brown envelope"
sealing your gun in that before giving it up would insure that it doesnt need to be molested by the cops.
write your nick name on that, and on a piece of paper as your "claim form".

 

[olypendrew]

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Here in Clallam County, you just lock your gun in a lockbox by the entrance to the jail by depositing a quarter, closing the door, and turning and taking the key. No ID, and no interaction. I have forgotten a quarter, and the person controlling access to the jail gave me a key to one of the other lockboxes that did not need a quarter.

 

[Aryk45XD]

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olypendrew wrote:

Here in Clallam County, you just lock your gun in a lockbox by the entrance to the jail by depositing a quarter, closing the door, and turning and taking the key. No ID, and no interaction. I have forgotten a quarter, and the person controlling access to the jail gave me a key to one of the other lockboxes that did not need a quarter.

That would be a great requirement for places that do not allow firearms. It would be a lot easier for me to know where to avoid going.

 

[amzbrady]

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Aryk45XD wrote:

olypendrew wrote:

Here in Clallam County, you just lock your gun in a lockbox by the entrance to the jail by depositing a quarter, closing the door, and turning and taking the key. No ID, and no interaction. I have forgotten a quarter, and the person controlling access to the jail gave me a key to one of the other lockboxes that did not need a quarter.

That would be a great requirement for places that do not allow firearms. It would be a lot easier for me to know where to avoid going.

Could you imagine if the post office had em? It would take more time to lock down a weapon than it would to actually get the mail.

 

[Metal_Monkey]

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NavyLT wrote:

amzbrady wrote:

Could you imagine if the post office had em? It would take more time to lock down a weapon than it would to actually get the mail.

But not to do anything else at the post office... the lines are always incredibly long in Oak Harbor.... it's no wonder they ban firearms! :lol:

People still use or go to the post office? I kid I kid, seriously though...post office?

 

[ak56]

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Metal_Monkey wrote:

NavyLT wrote:

amzbrady wrote:

Could you imagine if the post office had em? It would take more time to lock down a weapon than it would to actually get the mail.

But not to do anything else at the post office... the lines are always incredibly long in Oak Harbor.... it's no wonder they ban firearms! :lol:

People still use or go to the post office? I kid I kid, seriously though...post office?

Here in Carnation, if you live in town you have no choice but to use the post office - no home delivery.