Clark County Handgun Registration program revisited

[usmcmustang]

Just a thought... might want to consider incorporating as a for profit entity and "sell" sponsorships or other "tangibles." Why "involve" the IRS with a non-profit entity where the rules are relatively restrictive as to what can and can't be done... and if the IRS believes you have somehow violated their rules they simply revoke your non profit status. And, just who out there is concerned if their $25, $50, or $100 "donation" is tax deductible? Might just be a better idea to have supporters "sponsor" our cause and not be "shackled" by all the IRS BS. Yes, the corporation would have to pay income tax on any "profit," but so what? The corporation would be "free" to lobby and be involved in most whatever it determines appropriate. I'm not seeing the TRUE benefit of incorporating as a non profit. Anyway... this obviously deserves more discussion. We're at 10 now... still need 1/2 that to get real serious.

 

[Frantic84]

Just a thought... might want to consider incorporating as a for profit entity and "sell" sponsorships or other "tangibles." Why "involve" the IRS with a non-profit entity where the rules are relatively restrictive as to what can and can't be done... and if the IRS believes you have somehow violated their rules they simply revoke your non profit status. And, just who out there is concerned if their $25, $50, or $100 "donation" is tax deductible? Might just be a better idea to have supporters "sponsor" our cause and not be "shackled" by all the IRS BS. Yes, the corporation would have to pay income tax on any "profit," but so what? The corporation would be "free" to lobby and be involved in most whatever it determines appropriate. I'm not seeing the TRUE benefit of incorporating as a non profit. Anyway... this obviously deserves more discussion. We're at 10 now... still need 1/2 that to get real serious.

also most "businesses" do not profit of the first 5 years on average

 

[wrightme]

Just a thought... might want to consider incorporating as a for profit entity and "sell" sponsorships or other "tangibles." Why "involve" the IRS with a non-profit entity where the rules are relatively restrictive as to what can and can't be done... and if the IRS believes you have somehow violated their rules they simply revoke your non profit status. And, just who out there is concerned if their $25, $50, or $100 "donation" is tax deductible? Might just be a better idea to have supporters "sponsor" our cause and not be "shackled" by all the IRS BS. Yes, the corporation would have to pay income tax on any "profit," but so what? The corporation would be "free" to lobby and be involved in most whatever it determines appropriate. I'm not seeing the TRUE benefit of incorporating as a non profit. Anyway... this obviously deserves more discussion. We're at 10 now... still need 1/2 that to get real serious.

"Non-profit" and "Tax Deductible" are not synonyms. There are several 501(c) designations that allow lobbying activities. There are few 501(c) designations that allow tax deductible donations. The deductibility is tertiary, IMHO.

 

[usmcmustang]

"Non-profit" and "Tax Deductible" are not synonyms. There are several 501(c) designations that allow lobbying activities. There are few 501(c) designations that allow tax deductible donations. The deductibility is tertiary, IMHO.

Understood. But again, non profits (those entities designated by the IRS as such under any of the 501(c) categories) are subject to IRS rules on what they can and can't do, regardless. I know that there are several 501(c) designations that allow for lobbying. But just what IS the attraction to a non profit over a profit entity? Being a non profit subjects the entity to an additional "set of rules," no?

Over the years, I've incorporated a few entities... some of which were for profit (small business) and one as non profit (motorcycle riding club). Although the for profit entity was a "business" and subject to corporate income tax... at the end of the year there was very little corporate profit after having paid salaries, equipment depreciation, etc., etc.

At the end of the day perhaps NO formal organization is actually required here... perhaps just 15 guys/gals with a common goal in mind, doing what they see needs to be done.

Still need 5 more.

 

[wrightme]

Understood. But again, non profits (those entities designated by the IRS as such under any of the 501(c) categories) are subject to IRS rules on what they can and can't do, regardless. I know that there are several 501(c) designations that allow for lobbying. But just what IS the attraction to a non profit over a profit entity? Being a non profit subjects the entity to an additional "set of rules," no?

Over the years, I've incorporated a few entities... some of which were for profit (small business) and one as non profit (motorcycle riding club). Although the for profit entity was a "business" and subject to corporate income tax... at the end of the year there was very little corporate profit after having paid salaries, equipment depreciation, etc., etc.

At the end of the day perhaps NO formal organization is actually required here... perhaps just 15 guys/gals with a common goal in mind, doing what they see needs to be done.

Still need 5 more.

The proposed group isn't a business operated with the intent of making a profit.

 

[usmcmustang]

The proposed group isn't a business operated with the intent of making a profit.

The "proposed group" may very well not need the protection provided by incorporation... be it as a non profit or a for profit. What it may need, more than "legal protection," is NUMBERS... lotsa NUMBERS of volunteers (and all that term implies - time, talent, etc.) eager and willing to strive for and ultimately obtain a goal. If there aren't at least 15 here in the short term... I'd say the "NUMBERS" haven't got a chance and all the talk about what type of organization might be in the offing is a relatively moot point... but it is an interesting discussion... something that seems to go on here all the time.

 

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

The proposed group isn't a business operated with the intent of making a profit.

if we think that it needs to be one or the other or fit a certain group, it may be limiting ourselves. As I have mentioned before we are doing a class-action lawsuit against the political subdivisions responsible for incorrectly and unlawfully enforcing the helmet law. The group responsible for the think tank and engineering of the lawsuit is called "repeal it or feel it" this group is not a 301401 or 501(c) of any sort, and utilizes the resources of the LLC Guerrilla Lawfare to fund their needs. If this group is insisted upon repealing the blue card, it is possible that they would fit in with repeal it or feel it. That would also be consistent with repealing concealed carry licenses etc.

I'm preparing to take a check to the consulting firm who will be crunching numbers on the "public burden theory." The money was raised by "repeal it or feel it" and disbursed by Guerrilla Lawfare LLC.
If anyone has questions on how this is been working up to this point, or would like to attend a "repeal it or feel it" meeting they happen every Thursday night, and are semi open to guests.

 

[MAC702]

So that makes me #12, right?

Sorry. I've been out of town for three weeks, or I would have been #2.

 

[usmcmustang]

So that makes me #12, right?

Sorry. I've been out of town for three weeks, or I would have been #2.

Sorry, Mack... by my tally you are #11. I could be wrong.

 

[SoLasVegas]

So that makes me #12, right?

Sorry. I've been out of town for three weeks, or I would have been #2.

Actually, by my count you're #13. Here is the list so far:

usmcmustang
The Big Guy
Frantic84
DVC
b0nez
Vegassteve
brettf22raptor
merlin
Lasjayhawk
Blue996tt
DON'T TREAD ON ME
SoLasVegas
MAC702

 

[usmcmustang]

Actually, by my count you're #13. Here is the list so far:

usmcmustang
The Big Guy
Frantic84
DVC
b0nez
Vegassteve
brettf22raptor
merlin
Lasjayhawk
Blue996tt
DON'T TREAD ON ME
SoLasVegas
MAC702

Right you are !!! I had to go back & tally each one to make sure.

 

[DVC]

Just a thought... might want to consider incorporating as a for profit entity and "sell" sponsorships or other "tangibles."

Concur.

There is a lot more government Mickey Mouse to a non-profit. Unless you have the staff to deal with it, it will get in the way.

 

[MAC702]

I've already done most, if not all of the leg work. I have the 911/311 calls, dispatcher radio traffic, my firearms registration information from LVMPD dated 5 months prior to the arrest, my arrest report, and the CAD report for the incident. I really need/want someone to spearhead this, because it's a clear-cut case IMO. Not to mention moving towards getting rid of this stupid blue card registration system that is obviously failed and was the reason for my arrest.

According to the arrest report, they tried multiple different systems to check for the registration, but it came back with nothing. Playing games to the max.

I've given a few "intakes" for a couple false arrest attorneys, but none have called me back or even showed the slightest of interest.

Any recommendations at this point would be awesome.

Any update?

 

[Eveofwar]

Any update?

Actually yes, there is an update ! Not much, but it's going somewhere.

Today I spoke with an attorney who gave me some good insight on avenues to take with this. Top priority is to get the arrest removed from my record so that it doesn't come to bite me later down the road. After that is taken care of, more things will follow...but they have to be organized first.

I shall keep updates coming when they occur. I'm not sure if my case is going to be a good one 4for the public eye in regards to getting the blue card law repealed, but it's something I can suggest.

I do want to thank Dave and Tim again for the referral and all their help.

 

[The Big Guy]

I have written an email to my County Commissioner asking her to support the elimination of the Blue Card registration outlining the cost and ineffectiveness of it.

TBG

 

[The Big Guy]

I have written an email to my County Commissioner asking her to support the elimination of the Blue Card registration outlining the cost and ineffectiveness of it.

TBG

No answer, imagine that.

TBG