jeffrey-r
Regular Member
Open carried today (as I always do) into my bank to do some HELOC paperwork. Took about 40 minutes or so. As we were wrapping up I stood up and gathered papers, turned strong side to the girl who was doing the paperwork, and had the following conversation.
Now let me ask you something. You got a CCW?
Me: Yes.
You know it's supposed to be concealed when you come into a bank.
Me: Ah, it doesn't matter, actually.
That's why it's called a concealed weapons carry...
Me: You can open carry.
You can **open** carry.
Me: Which is what that is. (point at my sidearm)
But if you had a CCW I thought it had to be concealed.
Me: No, you don't have to conceal if you have a CCW.
And if it says it on the door...
Me: Which you guys aren't, aren't posted.
If it says on the door then you can't come in..
Me: Then that's a trespassing.
But that's whether you conceal or whether it's open carry?
Me: Right. So like TGIF Friday's, they are posted and you can't...
(she interjects) Well that's because they sell alcohol.
Me: Well, no. It's not a bar, it's a restaurant.
I thought you couldn't walk into anywhere that alcohol was sold, with a CCW or carrying it.
Me: If 50% of the profits [I meant revenue] of the organization is alcohol then it's a bar.
Oh, okay I got you.
Me: So like Buffalo Wild Wings or Applebees...
(she interjects) You can't walk into something like that.
Me: ...it's fine. No, it's fine, it's not a bar, it's a restaurant. A bar bar, you can open carry into a bar...
That makes no sense.
Me: ...with a CCW.
That's ridiculous.
Me: There's different paragraphs of the law. There's the gun free zone and then the CCW zone. [I hold up left hand for GFZ and right hand for the CCW restrictions.] If you are open carrying, you don't even care what the CCW one says [I throw away my right hand], you just look at this one [wave my left hand]. And this one [wiggle left hand] has four exclusions. And if you are a law enforcement officer, if you are a private investigator [I misspoke here, the PI stuff is mentioned in other sections of firearm law], or if you have a CCW, they don't apply. So if you have a CCW and you open carry, you can open carry [pretty much] anywhere. [For clarity, the exclusions are 1) hired security, 2) LEO, 3) CCW, and 4) with permission of owner.]
So, what do you do for a living.
Me: I'm an engineer.
So then we just go into general gun talk, the discussion of open carry is over at this point. She's talking about how she just got rid of her old gun (a Springfield 1911 45ACP) in order to get something smaller, that her husband is a big gun nut, that her 16 year old son wants to get a Desert Eagle, that she likes going up to Close Quarters Tactical up on 23 mile and Hayes, that her husband has H&K stuff, the pros / cons of a revolver for ease of use, etc etc etc. Talked for a total of 14 minutes about guns.
So overall a nice encounter, got to set someone straight about how gun laws work and chatted about firearms for a while.
Now let me ask you something. You got a CCW?
Me: Yes.
You know it's supposed to be concealed when you come into a bank.
Me: Ah, it doesn't matter, actually.
That's why it's called a concealed weapons carry...
Me: You can open carry.
You can **open** carry.
Me: Which is what that is. (point at my sidearm)
But if you had a CCW I thought it had to be concealed.
Me: No, you don't have to conceal if you have a CCW.
And if it says it on the door...
Me: Which you guys aren't, aren't posted.
If it says on the door then you can't come in..
Me: Then that's a trespassing.
But that's whether you conceal or whether it's open carry?
Me: Right. So like TGIF Friday's, they are posted and you can't...
(she interjects) Well that's because they sell alcohol.
Me: Well, no. It's not a bar, it's a restaurant.
I thought you couldn't walk into anywhere that alcohol was sold, with a CCW or carrying it.
Me: If 50% of the profits [I meant revenue] of the organization is alcohol then it's a bar.
Oh, okay I got you.
Me: So like Buffalo Wild Wings or Applebees...
(she interjects) You can't walk into something like that.
Me: ...it's fine. No, it's fine, it's not a bar, it's a restaurant. A bar bar, you can open carry into a bar...
That makes no sense.
Me: ...with a CCW.
That's ridiculous.
Me: There's different paragraphs of the law. There's the gun free zone and then the CCW zone. [I hold up left hand for GFZ and right hand for the CCW restrictions.] If you are open carrying, you don't even care what the CCW one says [I throw away my right hand], you just look at this one [wave my left hand]. And this one [wiggle left hand] has four exclusions. And if you are a law enforcement officer, if you are a private investigator [I misspoke here, the PI stuff is mentioned in other sections of firearm law], or if you have a CCW, they don't apply. So if you have a CCW and you open carry, you can open carry [pretty much] anywhere. [For clarity, the exclusions are 1) hired security, 2) LEO, 3) CCW, and 4) with permission of owner.]
So, what do you do for a living.
Me: I'm an engineer.
So then we just go into general gun talk, the discussion of open carry is over at this point. She's talking about how she just got rid of her old gun (a Springfield 1911 45ACP) in order to get something smaller, that her husband is a big gun nut, that her 16 year old son wants to get a Desert Eagle, that she likes going up to Close Quarters Tactical up on 23 mile and Hayes, that her husband has H&K stuff, the pros / cons of a revolver for ease of use, etc etc etc. Talked for a total of 14 minutes about guns.
So overall a nice encounter, got to set someone straight about how gun laws work and chatted about firearms for a while.
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