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I was merely pointing out that the last post was not recent, just in case the poster in question hadn't noticed... I think you're reading too much into my words.
Nothing in this thread is out of date and you clearly tried to discredit my question based upon the age of the post or you wouldn't have brought it up.

It had no relevance to the questions at hand.


Nice try, it accomplishes nothing and it wasn't appreciated.
I agree totally - you're taking offense where none was intended.
 

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District Court Ruling Overturned

According to the Puerto Rican Justice Dept. the District Court ruling finding the Puerto Rican gun laws unconstitutional has been overturned on appeal.



Tribunal Supremo reitera constitucionalidad de la Ley de Armas


(1 de noviembre de 2016) El Tribunal Supremo de Puerto Rico (TSPR) reiteró la constitucionalidad de la Ley de Armas, la cual, como medida de seguridad pública, establece una serie de requisitos a cumplirse por quienes soliciten licencia de poseer y portar armas de fuego en la Isla.

En una decisión publicada ayer lunes, el TSPR denegó la moción de reconsideración presentada por los demandantes en el caso Jonathan Rodríguez, et al v. ELA, en la que los peticionarios solicitaron la impugnación de la constitucionalidad de los requisitos que impone la ley.

La sentencia del Tribunal de Primera Instancia, en junio de 2015, había declarado inconstitucional los artículos relacionados al procedimiento de licenciamiento que rigen el proceso para poseer y portar armas de fuego. Entre los requisitos que se pretendían invalidar está la edad mínima de 21 años para poseer armas y el proceso de indagación y entrevistas que actualmente evita que adictos de sustancias controladas, ebrios habituales, personas con historial violento y ciudadanos que tengan órdenes de protección en su contra, tengan acceso a armas de fuego.

“Las armas legales deben estar en manos de personas que estén capacitadas para poseerlas. Eliminar los artículos propuestos de la Ley hubiera abierto la puerta a cualquier ciudadano a obtener un arma de manera indiscriminada, lo que representa un riesgo incalculable a la seguridad pública. Por lo tanto, esta decisión es un triunfo para la buena convivencia de todos y todas en Puerto Rico”, destacó el Secretario.

Mediante la determinación del Tribunal de Primera Instancia de Salinas en junio de 2015, por medio del juez Aníbal Lugo Irizarry, se había ordenado que en sustitución del proceso administrativo establecido en la Ley de Armas, todo comprador de armas de fuego debía optar por el proceso de registro de armas promulgado en la ley federal a través del Registro de Transacción de Armas de Fuego que lleva a cabo el Buró de Alcohol, Tabaco, Armas y Explosivos (ATF, por sus siglas en inglés).

El Tribunal de Apelaciones revocó ese fallo tras acoger un recurso de apelación presentado por el Departamento de Justicia y determinó que la ley es constitucional y no infringe el derecho a portar armas.

El Estado prevaleció en el argumento de que de la jurisprudencia federal establece claramente que Puerto Rico tiene autoridad para regular el procedimiento de adquisición y portación de armas de fuego con el fin de velar por la seguridad y bienestar de la ciudadanía.
 
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Good news! Beginning tomorrow night Puerto Rico goes from being a repressive territory like New York and California to shall issue with full reciprocity. I have never seen this happen before!

Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2019/12/gun-law-in-puerto-rico-to-respect-the-second-amendment-as-of-1-january-2020/#ixzz69echwEAI
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Gun Law in Puerto Rico to Respect the Second Amendment as of 1 January, 2020
Ammoland Inc. Posted on December 15, 2019 by Dean Weingarten

Opinion
President Trump meets with hurricane victims in Puerto Rico
President Trump meets with hurricane victims in Puerto Rico
Arizona -(Ammoland.com)- On December 11, 2019, Governor Wanda Vázquez Garced signed Act No. 168. into law. The new law totally re-writes Puerto Rico firearms law. It is the most sweeping change in firearms law in the history of Puerto Rico.
Puerto Rico came under the sovereignty of the United States in 1898, about the same time as Hawaii. Puerto Rico was ceded to the United States as the result of the Spanish-American war. In Puerto Rico, the possession of firearms has always been regarded as a privilege, not as a Constitutional Right.
Puerto Rico had one of the most restrictive firearms laws in the United States, arguably more restrictive than California, Hawaii, or New York. There were only about 225,000 legally owned firearms in Puerto Rico in 2016, giving it one of the lowest levels of legal firearm ownership in the United States, at about 6.6 legal firearms per 100 people.
Two things seem to have led to the massive reform of Puerto Rico firearms law.
  • First, the actions of the United States Supreme Court in recognizing the Constitutional protections of the Second Amendment in the Heller and later, the McDonald, Supreme Court cases.
  • Second, the utter failure of the extremely restrictive Puerto Rico gun control scheme.
While Puerto Rico has had extreme infringements on Second Amendment rights, it has had extreme crime and murder rates, far higher than any state in the United States. Puerto Rico's murder rate averages four times the murder rate of the United States as a whole.
In 2016, the FBI Uniform Crime Report shows Puerto Rico with 19.9 murders per 100,000 population. Louisiana is the closest state with 11.8 murders per 100,000 population. The District of Columbia, as a federal territory, edges out Puerto Rico with 20.4 murders per 100,000. The District of Columbia is one of the few places in the United States that could claim, in 2016, to have more infringements on Second Amendment rights than Puerto Rico.
Perhaps this is why, when those pushing for a disarmed society compare gun control regimes and crime rates, they conspicuously ignore Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia. 2016 is not an outlier. It is representative of the last 20 years, at least.
The reason for the passage of Act. No. 168 is stated as the necessity of bringing Puerto Rico law within the protections of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution.
Caveat: Act No. 168, and other Puerto Rico law is written in Spanish. What is quoted below are translations to English.
Given the decisions of the Supreme Federal Court, it is necessary to take action to safeguard and protect the rights of American citizens residing in Puerto Rico, through a new Weapons Law that is consistent with the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, with decisions of the Supreme Court, and make it clear that, in Puerto Rico, carrying and possessing firearms is a fundamental and individual right, as in the rest of the Nation.
The most sweeping change in Act No. 168 is to eliminate the restrictive and burdensome requirements of the old law in obtaining a permit to purchase, own, or carry firearms. The new law enacts a shall-issue system that requires a permit to be issued if the applicant meets the legal requirements. The legal requirements are essentially the same as in the United States for firearms ownership; except for a uniform minimum age of 21. This was likely influenced by recent legislation in California, Washington, and Florida.
Costs under the old system were upwards from $1,500, with no guarantee of obtaining a permit to own a gun at the end of the long process. Under the new law, costs are about $200, with a guarantee of a permit, if the applicant does not fall into one of the prohibited categories. The permit is valid for five years. The renewal fee is $100.
Under the new law, a permit to own includes the right to carry a firearm for defense in public, if the firearm is concealed. Obtaining a permit to carry, under the old system, was even more difficult and costly than obtaining a permit to own a firearm. The government has a limit of 45 days in which to investigate and issue a permit. After a year, the limit is reduced to 30 days.
Puerto Rico will recognize all other firearm permits issued in the United States or territories of the United States. This warning, in Spanish and English, is to be posted at all ports and airports:
“FIREARMS WARNING
Every person, not authorized to have firearms under Puerto Rico laws, and who does not hold a valid weapons permit issued in any State, enclave, possession or territory of the United States of America, who brings a firearm with him/her or in his/her luggage, must give immediate notice to the Ports Authority Security Office and an officer of the Police Bureau of Puerto Rico upon arrival. Noncompliance with this notice may carry prison penalties. The Ports Authority Security Office and/or an Authorized Agent will inform you on how to proceed with your weapon.”
Under the new law, if a firearms owner purchases more than 20,000 rounds of ammunition in a year; or more than 10 firearms in a year; the police chief may investigate to ensure the ammunition and firearms were purchased for lawful reasons.
The collection of firearms is specifically protected under the new law. There are no limits to the number of firearms which may be collected.
Under the new law, “assault weapons” are banned, except for those people with a firearms permit.
Under the new law, target shooting is to be encouraged by the government of Puerto Rico. The establishment of clubs, shooting organizations, and competitions are to be promoted by the government.
People without firearms permits will be allowed to shoot at licensed ranges.
While the requirement to apply and pay for a firearms permit may seem burdensome to gun owners in many states, Act No. 168 is an enormous step toward respecting Second Amendment rights in Puerto Rico.
Consider: The permit must be issued. The permit includes the right to carry for self-defense. There is complete recognition of all permits issued in the United States. There are, effectively, no limits on the number of firearms or amount of ammunition which may be purchased and used.
Moreover, the law specifically states its purpose is to bring Puerto Rico under the protections of the Second Amendment of the United States.
If the Supreme Court further clarifies and restores those protections, as expected, the law will be subject to revision to bring the benefits of the Second Amendment to Puerto Rico.
The law goes into effect on 1 January 2020.
Regulations are being written to conform to the new law. If you are traveling to Puerto Rico, it is recommended you determine the details of the regulations before traveling.
About Dean Weingarten:
Dean WeingartenDean Weingarten
Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30-year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.
 

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hummm...the social media newspeek is abuzz bout ammoland's two week olde PR news, yet...

wondering why only ammoland is promoting this story, nothing broadcast by NRA's ILA, nothing on PR news, nada from DJT tweets...just other grassroots proclaiming the great news & just quoting ammoland's op-ed...

further handgunlaw's PR link is dead...
 
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hummm...the social media newspeek is abuzz bout ammoland's two week olde PR news, yet...

wondering why only ammoland is promoting this story, nothing broadcast by NRA's ILA, nothing on PR news, nada from DJT tweets...just other grassroots proclaiming the great news & just quoting ammoland's op-ed...

further handgunlaw's PR link is dead...
NRA has it!
 

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A multi-party field trip to establish discovery is in order.
HLB
 

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The law says any license from any jurisdiction.

(9) Persons with a weapons license from other jurisdictions, to have the

same rights and privileges enjoyed by persons with a weapons license

of Puerto Rico, shall comply with the requirements of this Act. In turn,

they must inform the Weapons Licensing Office, in case they have

the intention of introducing one or more weapons and / or ammunition to Puerto Rico.

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The Commissioner shall provide through regulations, the manner in which

will make said notification.


The Director of the Puerto Rico Port Authority will place in all ports and

airports of entry to Puerto Rico, in the places where the

arriving travelers, visible signs in Spanish and English that say the following:


“FIREARMS 'WARNING

Every person, not authorized to have firearms under Puerto Rico laws, and who does

not hold a valid weapons allowed issued in any State, enclave, possession or territory of

the United States of America, who brings a firearm with him / her or in his / her luggage,

must give immediate notice to the Ports Authority Security Office and an officer of the

Police Bureau of Puerto Rico upon arrival. Noncompliance with this notice may carry

prison penalties. The Ports Authority Security Office and / or an Authorized Agent will

inform you on how to proceed with your weapon. ”
 

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The New Laboratory for Gun Rights/Gun Control



On January 1st 2020, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico inadvertently became a live real-time laboratory for the gun rights/gun control experiment. Literally overnight, the Commonwealth legally went from a “may issue” gun repressive society (in many respects even more repressive than New York and California) to a “shall-issue” gun tolerant society (in some respects even more tolerant than some “gun states” like Pennsylvania, Texas, or Nevada). In addition, because of its relatively isolated situation, being an island in the Caribbean, the usual arguments concerning “guns from neighboring states” and other outside influences becomes less relevant, making for a more pristine laboratory situation. In fact, I would argue that this may be the most pristine situation currently possible in our society.

Not only has the island become “shall issue”, it has additionally decided to extend gun license reciprocity to any jurisdiction in the United States and its territories. With a native population of approximately 3 million people and tourism of about another 1 million, this laboratory will not have a shortage of “specimens” to experiment with.

Allowing for a 6 month time period for the native population to “arm up”, we should begin to see a definite trend sometime in the summer. Currently, Puerto Rico has a very high violent crime rate. If the gun control argument is correct, then the sudden introduction of a large number of guns into a society not accustomed to same should result in a further explosion in the violent crime rate. If the gun rights argument is correct, then the criminal element will become more “cautious” (especially after a few of them are lawfully bagged) and the violent crime rate will begin to trend downward. I predict that that the latter will occur. Stay tuned!
 
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