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i love America. i love wisconsincarry. catchy one for a t-shirt huh?
i love America. i love wisconsincarry. catchy one for a t-shirt huh?
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carried in Janesville kicked out of menards
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paul@paul-fisher.com
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kawisixer01 wrote:
How did they know your cell phone #?
kawisixer01 wrote:
How did they know your cell phone #?
kawisixer01
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That's a good question. I'm guessing the store zoomed in a cam on my plate. Not sure how they have my number on file. I have made reports in the past so I'm guessing they have it in a database.
That's a good question. I'm guessing the store zoomed in a cam on my plate. Not sure how they have my number on file. I have made reports in the past so I'm guessing they have it in a database.
kawisixer01
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That's a good question. I'm guessing the store zoomed in a cam on my plate. Not sure how they have my number on file. I have made reports in the past so I'm guessing they have it in a database.
That's a good question. I'm guessing the store zoomed in a cam on my plate. Not sure how they have my number on file. I have made reports in the past so I'm guessing they have it in a database.
GLOCK21GB
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I would have just sat SLOWLY eating my food "oh, you wanna look at my gun ?" WELL THAT'S TOO BAD, OCCIFER, we all want, but we don't all get what we want....since I don't have to do anything by law, I WON'T. have a great day Officers !
I would have just sat SLOWLY eating my food "oh, you wanna look at my gun ?" WELL THAT'S TOO BAD, OCCIFER, we all want, but we don't all get what we want....since I don't have to do anything by law, I WON'T. have a great day Officers !
Packer fan
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Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman wrote:
Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman wrote:
OH man! Don't tell my wife! Menards is her favorite store and now that she knows it is ok to OC she'll have to go there when we visit Wi. Thanks for letting the cat out of the bag:lol:. Maybe I can keep her form seeing this post.
jeff niles
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I have oc in menards in janesville before and i did not have any trouble,they must not of seen me.
I have oc in menards in janesville before and i did not have any trouble,they must not of seen me.
kawisixer01
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Sorry for the double posts guys, for some reason it double posts when i send from my droid cell phone. I'd like to thank everyone for their concern, advice,and support in this situation. You all showed very quickly that you will stand and back those with similar ideals for the same cause. If anything this situation has hardended my resolve. I was very quick to sit down and notate the whole scenario today when I got home as it was fresh in my head, and looking back through it I do see some things I wish I would have done differently. I do have regrets, i should have stood my ground and pretty muchtold the police to go piss up a rope. As I said earlier I was a bit of a trouble maker in my teen years, and being a dick to the cops never got me any help and often made the situations worse, so i was a bit apprehensive to really stand up. I also wish I would have had a recorder for my own protection. I have downloaded a recorder app for my phone that will save onto my 16 gig internal micro sd card. I will tinker with that to see how well it works. I want to thank Wisco Carry inc for being very rapid to act on the situation. I am a bit sheepish to admit that I am not a member but will be sending in my membership very soon! It was really an eye opener today and i'll admit I might have tinkled in my pants a slight bit when four cops pulled in and i knew they were there to talk to me, but as I said, retrospectively, it has only hardened my resolve!
Sorry for the double posts guys, for some reason it double posts when i send from my droid cell phone. I'd like to thank everyone for their concern, advice,and support in this situation. You all showed very quickly that you will stand and back those with similar ideals for the same cause. If anything this situation has hardended my resolve. I was very quick to sit down and notate the whole scenario today when I got home as it was fresh in my head, and looking back through it I do see some things I wish I would have done differently. I do have regrets, i should have stood my ground and pretty muchtold the police to go piss up a rope. As I said earlier I was a bit of a trouble maker in my teen years, and being a dick to the cops never got me any help and often made the situations worse, so i was a bit apprehensive to really stand up. I also wish I would have had a recorder for my own protection. I have downloaded a recorder app for my phone that will save onto my 16 gig internal micro sd card. I will tinker with that to see how well it works. I want to thank Wisco Carry inc for being very rapid to act on the situation. I am a bit sheepish to admit that I am not a member but will be sending in my membership very soon! It was really an eye opener today and i'll admit I might have tinkled in my pants a slight bit when four cops pulled in and i knew they were there to talk to me, but as I said, retrospectively, it has only hardened my resolve!
J.Gleason
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porcupine411.com
Use porcupine411 on your cell to turn it into a recording device in case you are ever caught without a recorder.
porcupine411.com
Use porcupine411 on your cell to turn it into a recording device in case you are ever caught without a recorder.
AaronS
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Glock34 wrote:
Glock34 wrote:
Thats about what my responce would have been also. 4 cops, just to "check up" on you. What a joke.
xenophon
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Not giving legal advice here, but never talk to the police in situations like this. They have 0 of your interest in mind, and 100% their interests. They are fishing for evidence.
Kindly decline, ask if you are free to go, or simply just don't say anything to begin with (silent treatment).
Heck, I wouldn't even provide ID if I was not in the car at the time.
Hindsight is always 20/20, you had everything turn out OK it seems.
Too bad this encounter wasn't recorded!
Not giving legal advice here, but never talk to the police in situations like this. They have 0 of your interest in mind, and 100% their interests. They are fishing for evidence.
Kindly decline, ask if you are free to go, or simply just don't say anything to begin with (silent treatment).
Heck, I wouldn't even provide ID if I was not in the car at the time.
Hindsight is always 20/20, you had everything turn out OK it seems.
Too bad this encounter wasn't recorded!
bnhcomputing
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AaronS wrote:
Now even though Nik talked with the Manager, I think THEY (Menard's) owes kawisixer01 an apology. I want to know how many other law abiding customer they sig the police on.
AaronS wrote:
If all the police know is, "a man with a gun in a truck," that could go several different ways. They send four officers for officer safety. However, it should take five minutes to figure out he wasn't a criminal, and then, "sorry for the inconvenience," because they already NEW who he was.
Now even though Nik talked with the Manager, I think THEY (Menard's) owes kawisixer01 an apology. I want to know how many other law abiding customer they sig the police on.
GLOCK21GB
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bnhcomputing wrote:
bnhcomputing wrote:
YES, I pondered this question myself. If a business ever did this to me, I would never do business with them again, EVER !
Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman
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Why don't we just be happy that as soon as they became informed, they quickly adjusted their business practice? Actions speak louder (and mean much more) than words. Isn't this stores quick adjustment to their business practice all "we" should hope for?
Why don't we look at the larger picture that a year after the AG memo, people still haven't become aware of the lawfulness of open-carry and look at what WE can do instead of demanding apologies for what is in the past but has been corrected?
What WE can do is continue to carry, continue to be good ambassadors of the rights of law abiding citizens. Continue to educate EVERY day.
I never demand apologies for anything. Apologies are often meaningless symbolism over substance. If someone wrongs me and they want to apologize, thats up to them. I don't expect it. Their commitment not to wronging me in the future is better than a verbal apology.
I think this situation quickly resolved itself to a very positive outcome. We can dwell on the past and demand apologies or we can carry on.
Having said all that the manager I spoke with seemed like a VERY genuine guy and he seemed genuinely regretful of the situation. I'm nearly positive if he see's kawisixer01 in his store again he will probably apologize to him. But I think the best apology is just not making the same mistake again. I don't want to rub someone's mistake in their face. Not everyone knows the law as we do, and can't we ALL agree that media has for the past 50 years conditioned people to assume a man with a gun is up to no good? Isn't the open-carry movement ALL about defeating these false perceptions? Lets not focus on things we have no control over (like demanding apologies) but lets focus on what we can do, which is continue to educate.
Why don't we just be happy that as soon as they became informed, they quickly adjusted their business practice? Actions speak louder (and mean much more) than words. Isn't this stores quick adjustment to their business practice all "we" should hope for?
Why don't we look at the larger picture that a year after the AG memo, people still haven't become aware of the lawfulness of open-carry and look at what WE can do instead of demanding apologies for what is in the past but has been corrected?
What WE can do is continue to carry, continue to be good ambassadors of the rights of law abiding citizens. Continue to educate EVERY day.
I never demand apologies for anything. Apologies are often meaningless symbolism over substance. If someone wrongs me and they want to apologize, thats up to them. I don't expect it. Their commitment not to wronging me in the future is better than a verbal apology.
I think this situation quickly resolved itself to a very positive outcome. We can dwell on the past and demand apologies or we can carry on.
Having said all that the manager I spoke with seemed like a VERY genuine guy and he seemed genuinely regretful of the situation. I'm nearly positive if he see's kawisixer01 in his store again he will probably apologize to him. But I think the best apology is just not making the same mistake again. I don't want to rub someone's mistake in their face. Not everyone knows the law as we do, and can't we ALL agree that media has for the past 50 years conditioned people to assume a man with a gun is up to no good? Isn't the open-carry movement ALL about defeating these false perceptions? Lets not focus on things we have no control over (like demanding apologies) but lets focus on what we can do, which is continue to educate.
J.Gleason
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Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman wrote:
Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman wrote:
I agree.
Plankton
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Well said, Nik.
Well said, Nik.
Archangel
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Nik we have had legal open and/or concealed carry here in Georgia for some time (with a permit) and we still have the same issues here with a number of departments in particular and a goodly percentage of officers not knowledgeable about carry laws.
I still think it's a matter of "only ones" syndrome as evidenced by the copper who said he didn't agree with people carrying, while wearing a pistol on his own hip.
As a former WI resident I'm glad the honest citizens have you to stand up for their rights and keep the agenda rolling. Hopefully you can get a pro gun governor in after Doyle abdicates the throne and get a CCW system in place to increase the legal option the citizens of WI can use.
It would be nice to be able to legally conceal in my home state at some point in my lifetime when I come back and visit.
Carry On!
Nik we have had legal open and/or concealed carry here in Georgia for some time (with a permit) and we still have the same issues here with a number of departments in particular and a goodly percentage of officers not knowledgeable about carry laws.
I still think it's a matter of "only ones" syndrome as evidenced by the copper who said he didn't agree with people carrying, while wearing a pistol on his own hip.
As a former WI resident I'm glad the honest citizens have you to stand up for their rights and keep the agenda rolling. Hopefully you can get a pro gun governor in after Doyle abdicates the throne and get a CCW system in place to increase the legal option the citizens of WI can use.
It would be nice to be able to legally conceal in my home state at some point in my lifetime when I come back and visit.
Carry On!
range rat
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WOW!!!! cool ending, now what did we learn from this? Nice guys come in last! BUt first in the booking line:lol:
Hey, once we get done shopping at Menards, can we pop over too Burger King for lunch
OH, I all most for got, back in 1983 when Menards was first starting up, they wanted security for there stores. Not any old security, But, are you ready for this ARMED Security!!! so they went to Pinkerton who at the time didn"t have squat for armed security... So they got a bunch of us, [ I was with out a job, my Company close it's doors ] offer us $ 5.00 an hour sent us down to Badger Guns for weapons trainning with 38spl, an the rest is History:lol:
WOW!!!! cool ending, now what did we learn from this? Nice guys come in last! BUt first in the booking line:lol:
Hey, once we get done shopping at Menards, can we pop over too Burger King for lunch
OH, I all most for got, back in 1983 when Menards was first starting up, they wanted security for there stores. Not any old security, But, are you ready for this ARMED Security!!! so they went to Pinkerton who at the time didn"t have squat for armed security... So they got a bunch of us, [ I was with out a job, my Company close it's doors ] offer us $ 5.00 an hour sent us down to Badger Guns for weapons trainning with 38spl, an the rest is History:lol:
SAK
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+1 to what Nik said.
I learned from this A) Always have a recorder and B) Don't tell the police where I'm eating lunch
I'm glad everything worked out. I'm glad people at the store were educated. I'm glad the police handled themselves well.
+1 to what Nik said.
I learned from this A) Always have a recorder and B) Don't tell the police where I'm eating lunch
I'm glad everything worked out. I'm glad people at the store were educated. I'm glad the police handled themselves well.
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I think you should go back to that Menards and OC again. They were ignorant of the law and tried to do what they thought was best. I don't blame them for that. Now that they know what the law is you should verify that they don't bother you and give them your business if they follow the law.
There's a lot of ground to be made up to show that lawful citizens with firearms are not dangerous.
Regarding the police encounter - heck they even arrested a friend of mine for a concealed weapons charge when it was unloaded, encased, in his car, and he was in a store. So, while telling them to screw themselves probably isn't the right idea perhaps not talking to them or permitting them to search your vehicle would be better?
Of course that's easy for me to say as I wasn't there.
I think you should go back to that Menards and OC again. They were ignorant of the law and tried to do what they thought was best. I don't blame them for that. Now that they know what the law is you should verify that they don't bother you and give them your business if they follow the law.
There's a lot of ground to be made up to show that lawful citizens with firearms are not dangerous.
Regarding the police encounter - heck they even arrested a friend of mine for a concealed weapons charge when it was unloaded, encased, in his car, and he was in a store. So, while telling them to screw themselves probably isn't the right idea perhaps not talking to them or permitting them to search your vehicle would be better?
Of course that's easy for me to say as I wasn't there.