Can't OC at McKenna rally

[LkWd_Don]

~~snip~~ I think some times y'all need to step back & take a reality check and realize just how radical "our" beliefs are on here, and that's most than just gun rights. I'm not saying that's a bad thing in the slightest. But we need to be aware of that. ~~snip

+1 I agree

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Like it or not, a vote cast for anyone other than the two main candidates won't contribute to any change. Those in power would just as soon see those against them vote for some minor candidate or a write-in. Their supporters aren't going to be dividing their vote among others, they're going to vote en bloc for their candidate. Once the primary is over with, the only course is to vote for one or the other. You essentially have to hold your nose and cast your vote if there isn't a candidate that shares all of your ideals. Best bet is to vote for the one that at least holds more of them than the other.

To think you're accomplishing anything by not voting is a pipe dream. Yes, you are contributing to the status quo.

Amusing that you think voting for the two main candidates will effect change.....also amusing that for some reason not picking the status quo ( the two main candidates) is somehow for the status quo.

No one will get my vote unless they have Sanders or Ron Paul like values, period. At least I'll be able to tell my kids I didn't pick a Hitler over a Stalin. Think about that, Hitler was the lesser of two evils.......

Actually it isn't a pipe dream if more people didn't vote and actually then nullified any ridiculous control either party of the two headed beast tried to make.

Voting for the lesser of two evils even when your guy doesn't win, still makes you, part of the game and you have to abide by their rules.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”

John Quincy Adams

I share many of the same concerns about him as you do. His stance on alcoholic energy drinks really disappointed me. Not only did he support the ban in Washington state, but he actually came out in favor of a Federal ban.

I admire him for joining the health care lawsuit.

I am confused what you meant by this though...... "His support for unconstitutional, anti-trust mergers?" Are you saying he supports rules that restrict mergers, or that he wants to loosen the rules for mergers?

I do not see how government should be involved in mergers one way or the other. If two or more companies want to merge, then it is up to the owners/stockholders of those companies. The government should have no say on the matter.

He is very pro anti-trust laws, yea sorry the way I worded that was poor. And history has shown that is was special interest trying to force us to pay more that was behind these laws. I am with you the gov. should stay out of it , especially on a federal level where it is not part of their enumerated powers.

Like many politicians he says and makes stances I admire on some issues, but I am a 'rights nut not a gun nut'.

 

[GreatWhiteLlama]

Amusing that you think voting for the two main candidates will effect change.....also amusing that for some reason not picking the status quo ( the two main candidates) is somehow for the status quo.

No one will get my vote unless they have Sanders or Ron Paul like values, period. At least I'll be able to tell my kids I didn't pick a Hitler over a Stalin. Think about that, Hitler was the lesser of two evils.......

Actually it isn't a pipe dream if more people didn't vote and actually then nullified any ridiculous control either party of the two headed beast tried to make.

Voting for the lesser of two evils even when your guy doesn't win, still makes you, part of the game and you have to abide by their rules.

John Quincy Adams



He is very pro anti-trust laws, yea sorry the way I worded that was poor. And history has shown that is was special interest trying to force us to pay more that was behind these laws. I am with you the gov. should stay out of it , especially on a federal level where it is not part of their enumerated powers.

Like many politicians he says and makes stances I admire on some issues, but I am a 'rights nut not a gun nut'.

SVG,

I think that we both see eye to eye on most things. What you pointed out with the weakness of our AG, I agree with. However, this one time, I will be choosing the better of the two evils. I will still write in Ron Paul if he is not on the ballet, but because we so desperately need a change in Olympia, I will be voting for RM. I too disagree with his non Liberty stances, however, because I know that on the national level, 'my guy' has a snow balls chance. Well, at least with RM, we may at least have someone that can be elected with the chance of changing things locally. At least he has the balls to fight for rights on the federal level.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

SVG,

I think that we both see eye to eye on most things. What you pointed out with the weakness of our AG, I agree with. However, this one time, I will be choosing the better of the two evils. I will still write in Ron Paul if he is not on the ballet, but because we so desperately need a change in Olympia, I will be voting for RM. I too disagree with his non Liberty stances, however, because I know that on the national level, 'my guy' has a snow balls chance. Well, at least with RM, we may at least have someone that can be elected with the chance of changing things locally. At least he has the balls to fight for rights on the federal level.

I am probably writing RP in too. I am not condemning anyone for choosing the candidate their conscience allows. Just laugh at the subtle and not so subtle insinuations and mockery of those of us who would vote or not vote because our conscience tells us to, and the silly rationalization that not voting is voting for the status quo. Don't forget that some of the same people who put forth that argument are convinced I am an "extremist" and and "anarchist" yet somehow I am for the status quo.......hilarious.

One on one I would like Rob McKenna would drink a beer with him , (better not make it a Jack and Coke) he does have some attributes I admire (like what you mentioned, I do see him effecting change from the neo liberal direction, but I don't feel that a change toward neocon direction is really any better, and don't feel he will work to repeal or get rid of laws that restrict our freedom, but will likely increase more laws and feel that he is still a positivist although one of different color than Gregoire. Me not voting for someone doesn't mean I condemn that person, it isn't personal everyone is free to decide what is best for themselves, but when they want what they think is best , mandated by force upon others.....sorry not voting for their ideology. But that isn't just me....their is a huge amount of people who simply decide not to partake in what appears to be a corrupt system.


This is the great thing about the freedom of speech though while we still have it, we get to point out the negatives and positives, and all make our own decision on what to do. I respect your decision and understand it just don't feel the same for myself.

Been reading up on Hadian, like his stance on 10th amendment and not implementing Healthcare Act, am a little disturbed by his invoking "God" though, leave religion out of it.......sigh.

Vote me , the apathy party, guaranteed to stay out of your life. Like lyrics to a song I once wrote, "Don't take my money for someone else to use, Don't tell me what to do with my body its mine to abuse".

 

[Metalhead47]

Amusing that you think voting for the two main candidates will effect change.....also amusing that for some reason not picking the status quo ( the two main candidates) is somehow for the status quo.

Actually it isn't a pipe dream if more people didn't vote and actually then nullified any ridiculous control either party of the two headed beast tried to make.

How, exactly, is disengaging yourself from the system and doing nothing going to effect change one way or the other? If more people didn't vote, it would just make it that much easier for the dedicated members on all sides to get their respective ways.

And what's up with this "neo-this" & "neo-that" of yours all the time? Neither contemporary liberalism nor conservatism has changed significantly in the last 50 years or so. There is no "neo." Just same ol' same ol'.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

How, exactly, is disengaging yourself from the system and doing nothing going to effect change one way or the other? If more people didn't vote, it would just make it that much easier for the dedicated members on all sides to get their respective ways.

And what's up with this "neo-this" & "neo-that" of yours all the time? Neither contemporary liberalism nor conservatism has changed significantly in the last 50 years or so. There is no "neo." Just same ol' same ol'.

Who says not voting for the two main fascist is disengaging yourself? I do other things too. Even spoke to the politicians on a stump speech forum. And it really shouldn't matter if we did nothing, if the politicians followed the constitutions. Imagine if most people didn't vote and just ignored the laws and did what was right anyway? Would that be doing nothing.

Those who call themselves conservative now days are not the old definition of conservative (pro big government pro positivism) so neoconservative, those who call themselves liberal do not fit the classical definition of liberal (pro freedom) so neo liberal. Plus when a conservative mentions things JFK mentioned 50 years or so ago, he is now considered a "right wing nut" yea they have changed steadily worse. So yea I use the term "neo" because both parties don't represent the true meaning of the name they call themselves, but hey that's an old tradition , like the Federalist who were not really federalist.......

But you do make a point about the same ol same ol in that both parties have worked hard hat ruining our fundamental liberties. I am not on a personal level endorse anyone who will restrict my liberties period. Why do people care so much about me not voting if I am not going to vote "their guy anyway"?

 

[tombrewster421]

http://www1.co.snohomish.wa.us/Depa...ions/Elections_Voting/Voting_Instructions.htm



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undervote

So according to this under voting idea, if people that usually don't bother to even vote actually cast a ballot but leave a certain race blank, that could actually cause neither party to win the vote? So if you want to not vote for either candidate but still have your vote counted you should cast a ballot with no choice rather than a write in.

Am I understanding this correctly?

 

[sudden valley gunner]

So according to this under voting idea, if people that usually don't bother to even vote actually cast a ballot but leave a certain race blank, that could actually cause neither party to win the vote? So if you want to not vote for either candidate but still have your vote counted you should cast a ballot with no choice rather than a write in.

Am I understanding this correctly?

Now wouldn't that be something, I'd go vote to leave the form blank if it counted as a negative against both candidates......

 

[END_THE_FED]

So according to this under voting idea, if people that usually don't bother to even vote actually cast a ballot but leave a certain race blank, that could actually cause neither party to win the vote? So if you want to not vote for either candidate but still have your vote counted you should cast a ballot with no choice rather than a write in.

Am I understanding this correctly?

I think what it was saying is.......In some contested races, (usually at a local level) there is a requirement for someone to get a certain number of votes, not just a plurality of votes. If there are enough "non-votes" in that race then it is possible for one to receive a plurality of votes but not the total of votes required.

 

[gogodawgs]

So according to this under voting idea, if people that usually don't bother to even vote actually cast a ballot but leave a certain race blank, that could actually cause neither party to win the vote? So if you want to not vote for either candidate but still have your vote counted you should cast a ballot with no choice rather than a write in.

Am I understanding this correctly?

NO

I think what it was saying is.......In some contested races, (usually at a local level) there is a requirement for someone to get a certain number of votes, not just a plurality of votes. If there are enough "non-votes" in that race then it is possible for one to receive a plurality of votes but not the total of votes required.

Only if ALL (there is usually more than 2 candidates) of the candidates on the ballot receive ZERO votes. There is no requirement that an election meet a certain threshold in an election for a position.

 

[DEROS72]

Nick and I have gone to several candidate rallys.We do not ask permission.as it was also the same when we open carried to see Newt Gingrich.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/localnews2017591337/6.html

I do carry a lamenated photo of Nick and I with McKenna .

 

[gogodawgs]

Nick and I have gone to several candidate rallys.We do not ask permission.as it was also the same when we open carried to see Newt Gingrich.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/localnews2017591337/6.html

I do carry a lamenated photo of Nick and I with McKenna .

Correct, Jim and I have OC'd to McKenna rallies, Hadian rallies, Didier rallies, Gingrich rallies and others....NOT once have we ever asked permission. These rallies have occurred on both public and private property. NEVER have we been turned away. I will not ask permission to do something that is legal.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Nick and I have gone to several candidate rallys.We do not ask permission.as it was also the same when we open carried to see Newt Gingrich.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/localnews2017591337/6.html

I do carry a lamenated photo of Nick and I with McKenna .

I believe the same as you guys, been to several "political" events carrying, and never ask for permission and mostly get very positive comments.