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California bans open carry

Alexcabbie

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The last thing I want to see take place is to "Florida" Virginia.

What got Florida where it is now is the heavy influx of retired folks who follow the AARP's line of hooey. The AARP takes members' dues, andd funnels them to the politicians who best pander to the "gimme gimme" crowd. These pols are (shockingly) of the kind who want to foment and propagate dependence on government. They are also - and for that reason - anti-RKBA.

What we have here in Virginia is a relatively young bunch of "progressive" newcomers. They are for the most part - Saints pray for us - pretty darn wealthy for their age because of high Federal government wages OR from serving the ones working for the government. And they are heavily concentrated in Northern Virginia, with Arlington/Alexandria/Falls Church being the epicenter of the infestation.

Now here's the funny thing about these NOVA Noveau-riche libtards. They are (Thank God) still a minority statewide; and they mostly support this "we are the 99 Percent" "Occupy DC" nonsense. But get this: Here they are, the minority in the State making the most money in the State and paying the most taxes; and yet instead of thinking the taxes they pay are merely their "fair share" they instead carp about how they pay the most in taxes so why can't they outlaw firearms if they want to. They say "it isn't fair" that they pay so much and don't get to abrogate the RKBA when the rest of the Commonwealth benefits from their largesse.


Meanwhile these weenies walk streets that are far safer than those of DC or MD in a good part because criminals in this area know that Virginia is the most dangerous jurisdiction in which to ply their trade.


I think the rest of our Commonwealth is going to surge back to red in the next year or so. Pity us here in AAFC, we will probably NEVER get rid of Rep. Jim "Bugs" Moran (who ought to be a bartender). What we have here in Virginia is not a bunch of achy, frail old folks who funnel money to whoever they (mistakenly) think will take care of them. We have a bunch of relatively young twits who might concievably wake up sometime. But I don't think "Floridation" is a problem as far as the entire state is concerned.
 

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What got Florida where it is now is the heavy influx of retired folks who follow the AARP's line of hooey. The AARP takes members' dues, andd funnels them to the politicians who best pander to the "gimme gimme" crowd. These pols are (shockingly) of the kind who want to foment and propagate dependence on government. They are also - and for that reason - anti-RKBA.

What we have here in Virginia is a relatively young bunch of "progressive" newcomers. They are for the most part - Saints pray for us - pretty darn wealthy for their age because of high Federal government wages OR from serving the ones working for the government. And they are heavily concentrated in Northern Virginia, with Arlington/Alexandria/Falls Church being the epicenter of the infestation.

Now here's the funny thing about these NOVA Noveau-riche libtards. They are (Thank God) still a minority statewide; and they mostly support this "we are the 99 Percent" "Occupy DC" nonsense. But get this: Here they are, the minority in the State making the most money in the State and paying the most taxes; and yet instead of thinking the taxes they pay are merely their "fair share" they instead carp about how they pay the most in taxes so why can't they outlaw firearms if they want to. They say "it isn't fair" that they pay so much and don't get to abrogate the RKBA when the rest of the Commonwealth benefits from their largesse.


Meanwhile these weenies walk streets that are far safer than those of DC or MD in a good part because criminals in this area know that Virginia is the most dangerous jurisdiction in which to ply their trade.


I think the rest of our Commonwealth is going to surge back to red in the next year or so. Pity us here in AAFC, we will probably NEVER get rid of Rep. Jim "Bugs" Moran (who ought to be a bartender). What we have here in Virginia is not a bunch of achy, frail old folks who funnel money to whoever they (mistakenly) think will take care of them. We have a bunch of relatively young twits who might concievably wake up sometime. But I don't think "Floridation" is a problem as far as the entire state is concerned.

Having lived in this area my entire life (Falls Church, Annandale, Arlington, and now western Prince William County), I know what you say is true. There was a time when this was not the case. In the 50's, the close-in areas were still pretty conservative. But as we well know, that has changed dramatically. One thing you said struck me;

"...instead carp about how they pay the most in taxes so why can't they outlaw firearms if they want to. They say "it isn't fair" that they pay so much and don't get to abrogate the RKBA when the rest of the Commonwealth benefits from their largesse."

I also know this to be true having worked in the local high tech industry for 29 years. They look down their noses at the rural folks and do get riled that the general assembly still caters to the "other" parts of Virginia. I've heard them say as much during election times or when important issues hit the news. They really don't like the rest of the state which is no wonder why the rest of the state views Northern Virginia as a pimple on their ass. There were several reasons why my wife and I moved out of Arlington after having lived there for nearly 24 years and this NOVA attitude was one of them.

Good observations, friend.
 

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Not only did our government investigate this, they acknowledge it was in error and made reparations. More, here.

Yes, from your source: "In 1990, surviving internees began to receive individual redress payments and a letter of apology." I am sure the ghosts of those who died in the camps, and the ghost of the US citizen who refused the order and was shot 18 times on his front porch, were much comforted 48 years later.

Apologies are meaningless, no matter how timely. When it's expedient, the Constitution can be ignored without penalty by our bureaucratic masters.
 
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I'm so glad I left California and moved back to America. I now live in Kentucky, where you can loaded open carry almost anywhere, and a CCW is a simple matter of a one day class and a $25.00 fee to the sheriff. God Bless Kentucky!
 

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I strongly support concealed weapon permits and am disappointed in the difficulties in acquiring them. Concealed weapon wearing civilians would ACTUALLY be effective in response, should they choose, to a critical violent event....Unlike OCers, who would simply be targeted first or have their unloaded weapon taken from them. That's why OCers "exercise their rights" at a Palo Alto coffee house and not an Oakland or Compton Popeyes...

You are tactically deficient. You believe that counter-ambushing an ambush is an acceptable tactic, and that fumble-farting with clothing under direct duress is an intelligent activity.

Why would I review, or give a crap, about MWG calls in Arizona??? Did you not read my post about different environments. I only know California; I'm only responsible for LE supervision in California.

This your 30 year failing.

Your precinct may be the one who gets sued for civil rights infringement for enforcing unconstitutional law as incorporated against your state, and specifically reinforced by Heller. Your "Hey bro I'm only in California" commentary is cute, but not in tune with reality.

And Doc, I was on duty on 10/6 and an active participant in the manhunt. I know in your little gun-world, you imagine a different outcome if every one in that meeting was strapped...and maybe that particular meeting might not have gone down the way it did....But if you are trying to make me believe that society would be safer if everyone had a gun on their hip, in this day and age of nuetral morality, lack of discipline and no accountability for actions.....I'm going to disagree with you with every fiber of my being.....And unless you've done what I've done and seen what I've seen over these last nearly 3 decades, your opinion is not going to carry to much weight with me.....respectfully.

How pompous, arrogant, and elitist of you.

Newsflash guy. A lot of us have extensive experience in LEO or Military roles. Some members of this forum are retired LEO with more time on watch than you. I know in your fantasy world of psychological superiority you can't see any reason anybody would want to carry a gun when your 30 year elitist badassery is around, but many of us would outright humiliate you when it comes to tactical and firearms proficiency. Some members of this forum have received anti-Terrorism training far superior to what you have received. Throwing out your "eliteness" as an officer is hilarious. I sincerely and truly mean that.

I find it humorous you have made this cute little world you believe exists, wherein you believe that everybody carrying visible firearms would lead to mass murder.

Too much time behind the desk there fella? I'm definitely thinking so.

You see, people act straight around the cops not because of your spiffy little star kid. They act straight because you know you bring a firearm, displayed on your hip, offering mortal threat for any sort of mortal wrongdoing or shenanigans they may seek to engage in.

I know you think you are far more special than that simple concept, but you are not. It all comes down to the gun.

And over the last 3 years, I've gotten on your forum about 6 times. Each time, when an opinion differing from the site norm is given, the "Troll" title is tossed out. What the hell do you people call this a forum for??? I'm trying to give some insight into a perspective few of you share. If you don't welcome that, you might as well all sit around rubbing each other and call that a forum too.....

The reason people get referred to as trolls, is because they come in here making claims much as you do, without the legal, or other citations or evidence necessary to substantiate your claims.
You come in here insulting and fluffing your own precious, sensitive ego as if you were Gods gift to law enforcement, when on its face, you are clearly not in any way such a blessing. Step down a bit and realize you're just another human being amongst other human beings with not only more years in service than you, but far more training. Exercise some humility instead of talking about your meaningless 30 years of law enforcement debauchery.


Let's see how far you are willing to go to substantiate your claims that you are not a troll, and that your opinion carries historical or other metric derived weight.

Explain how states that have embraced Constitutional carry have seen declines in crime rates whereas states or municipalities that have expressly banned firearms as a generalization have far higher crime rates.

Do that, or forever hold your peace.
 
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So much to say, so little time I'm willing to invest....

I'm not sure whether I am more humored or dismayed that I can be absent from this thread for nearly two weeks and check in to find the latest response addressing my submissions. Forgive the "bullet" format, but I can't think of a better way to address every question/statement/attack made towards my comments.

-I'm not avoiding the exchanges. I'm simply busy. I don't spend my life in front of a computer and when I do have the time, OC does not always rush to my mind. If you're looking for pithy back and forths in a timely fashion, it's not going to happen.

-Ya....I get it.....You're constitutionalists.....That's fine. Why stop there? There is another document, written by man, that had and has been used, in whole or in part, to create the laws we live by. It's called The Bible. Were there changes made in the writing of the constitution that did not completely gel with the Bible? Were biblical scholars in an uproar? Were the constitution writers courageous in their massaging of the laws of man set forth in the Bible? Here's my point; don't be hypocritical. These works may very well be perfect for the time they are written yet not be perfect for all time. Unless you are out there following OC, Jesus Christ, than every one of you falls short in some behavior guiding man-written document...No matter how wonderful that document may be.

- Hey Canuck.....You questioned whether I was who I said I was. I challenged YOU to call me at my work (the phone number I would give to you IM) and, in return after being proven wrong, remove yourself from the thread. You, in turn, asked me to publish my number for everyone to contact me. Are you special needs? Why would I start fielding calls?

-For those many of you who challenge me to stop talking and start listening....I am listening, but just because this little sliver of a community feels a certain way, it doesn't make it so. There are 26,000 of you in a nation with 312,000,000. You telling me I need to listen to you is akin to 4 people at a sold out Rose Bowl football game (75,000) demanding all 74.996 listen to them....Tone that stuff down...


Got to go, I'll be back...
 

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So much to say, so little time I'm willing to invest....

I'm not sure whether I am more humored or dismayed that I can be absent from this thread for nearly two weeks and check in to find the latest response addressing my submissions. Forgive the "bullet" format, but I can't think of a better way to address every question/statement/attack made towards my comments.

-I'm not avoiding the exchanges. I'm simply busy. I don't spend my life in front of a computer and when I do have the time, OC does not always rush to my mind. If you're looking for pithy back and forths in a timely fashion, it's not going to happen.

-Ya....I get it.....You're constitutionalists.....That's fine. Why stop there? There is another document, written by man, that had and has been used, in whole or in part, to create the laws we live by. It's called The Bible. Were there changes made in the writing of the constitution that did not completely gel with the Bible? Were biblical scholars in an uproar? Were the constitution writers courageous in their massaging of the laws of man set forth in the Bible? Here's my point; don't be hypocritical. These works may very well be perfect for the time they are written yet not be perfect for all time. Unless you are out there following OC, Jesus Christ, than every one of you falls short in some behavior guiding man-written document...No matter how wonderful that document may be.

- Hey Canuck.....You questioned whether I was who I said I was. I challenged YOU to call me at my work (the phone number I would give to you IM) and, in return after being proven wrong, remove yourself from the thread. You, in turn, asked me to publish my number for everyone to contact me. Are you special needs? Why would I start fielding calls?

-For those many of you who challenge me to stop talking and start listening....I am listening, but just because this little sliver of a community feels a certain way, it doesn't make it so. There are 26,000 of you in a nation with 312,000,000. You telling me I need to listen to you is akin to 4 people at a sold out Rose Bowl football game (75,000) demanding all 74.996 listen to them....Tone that stuff down...


Got to go, I'll be back...

I challenge you to live by your oath.
I challenge you to exercise something most cop lack, your intelligence.

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An anecdotal tid-bit to share.

Watching the "Border Wars" episode the other might. CBP agents take a trip across the border into Nogales, Sonora - I think it was. They have to leave their guns & uniforms behind of course...?????

The stupidity-threshhold was crossed when the narrator made the statement that "In Mexico ONLY THE MILITARY & POLICE MAY POSSESS FIREARMS"...............................................

No further comment is necessary...........

I practically fell out of the recliner when I heard that.

Kind of reminds mne of the Lib-tard mentality in Kalifornia - NO ????????

Yeah I saw that one to, and I had almost the same reaction. Then I watch the news here in Hawaii that same night and saw that some dirt bag home invader decided to break in to a women's house and take a pair of garden shears and disfigure her face untill the cops showed up, who pulled him off the women.

No, we don't need open carry laws, especially in Hawaii. (sarcasm)


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Ok, I'm back....and I haven't read any of your replies yet...

-In keeping with the 4 people at the crowded Rose Bowl ratio......Naturally, if those four people only talk to themselves, they'll really feel like "kindrid spirits" up against the masses (which many of you do). They'd come to believe in the nobility of their cause (which many of you do). They'd stroke eachother's egos and find themselves bewildered by anyone who doesn't share their view (which many of you do). But, alas, at the end of the day, they'd just be four guys/gals in a crowd of 75,000....most of whom are completely indifferent to their existence. You might try to place some value when someone gives your group enough respect to come onto your forum and exchange opinions.

-Saw a great scene the other day in a live broadcast from Libya. As far as the eye could see, every man and boy had their very own rifle! A virtual OC dream come true. With that kind of citizen weaponry, Libya must be one of the safest places on earth, right? I mean, all the "good people" had guns and, according to many of your OC rants, that would keep the bad guys at bay. How's that been working out there? Oh, that's not the USA!

-And for you jerks who ranted about how I "needed" to frame my opinions under the scope of "humble opinions" to lessen your wrath, take a look at where you are. You're in an opinions forum; by definition, we're all sharing opinions. You may mistakenly feel your opinions are statements of fact, but that's just your ego and too much computer time on your hands. This is all opinion; deal with it.

-Which leads me to my final bullet. Your premise is about the "right"ful arming of every adult. No requirements, mandates, qualifications or restrictions is your mantra. My dilemma is commonly known as the "lowest denominator". You see, it's not good people (like many of you) taking arms that creates society's fears; it's the inability to keep guns out of the hands of the lowest amongst us (should your wishes come to fruition) and the inability to tell the difference amongst good and bad. And for God's sake, save me from one of you popping off about your group of 7 "blending peacefully" amongst the community in Saskalicky, Nebraska. That does not represent the chaos of daily life that would come to pass if 300,000 gangsters and thousands of murderers, robbers and rapists were armed to the teeth without fear of legal repercussions. I think this is what the 74,996 of us at the Rose Bowl know and the four of you can't seemingly appreciate. But, hey...... just keep pretending I'm the one out of touch
 

paul@paul-fisher.com

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-Which leads me to my final bullet. Your premise is about the "right"ful arming of every adult. No requirements, mandates, qualifications or restrictions is your mantra. My dilemma is commonly known as the "lowest denominator". You see, it's not good people (like many of you) taking arms that creates society's fears; it's the inability to keep guns out of the hands of the lowest amongst us (should your wishes come to fruition) and the inability to tell the difference amongst good and bad. And for God's sake, save me from one of you popping off about your group of 7 "blending peacefully" amongst the community in Saskalicky, Nebraska. That does not represent the chaos of daily life that would come to pass if 300,000 gangsters and thousands of murderers, robbers and rapists were armed to the teeth without fear of legal repercussions. I think this is what the 74,996 of us at the Rose Bowl know and the four of you can't seemingly appreciate. But, hey...... just keep pretending I'm the one out of touch

But your argument lost it's validity in this paragraph.

1. It assumes that laws actually stop even one bad guy intent on getting and carrying a weapon from getting and carrying one.
2. Can you point to any case, anywhere, not just in CA where a prohibited person guy was open carrying? No, they conceal carry without a permit.
3. Back to the 'panic'. Who cares? The public needs to get used to it. I'm sure when women got the right to vote, men started panicking. When minorities were 'allowed' to use the same washroom as whites, people panicked. When a person calls 911 reporting a MWAG, the dispatcher should say "What are they doing" and if it sounds like an open carrier just walking down the street, inform the caller that it is legal but a LEO will be dispatched to observe and the LEO then should just observe. Once this happens enough, people will stop calling, stop panicking.

Here's the way it should be done compared to the way it shouldn't be:

[video=youtube_share;LQ8795iZk-0]http://youtu.be/LQ8795iZk-0[/video]
 

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-Ya....I get it.....You're constitutionalists.....That's fine. Why stop there? There is another document, written by man, that had and has been used, in whole or in part, to create the laws we live by. It's called The Bible. Were there changes made in the writing of the constitution that did not completely gel with the Bible? Were biblical scholars in an uproar? Were the constitution writers courageous in their massaging of the laws of man set forth in the Bible? Here's my point; don't be hypocritical. These works may very well be perfect for the time they are written yet not be perfect for all time. Unless you are out there following OC, Jesus Christ, than every one of you falls short in some behavior guiding man-written document...No matter how wonderful that document may be.

ROTFL!
Really, constitutionalists eh? Well, some of us are I'm sure, but I'm not. I realize there are problems with our constitution but YOU are REQUIRED to FOLLOW IT during the exercise of your official duties. It's the supreme law of the land whether you like it or not. YOU took an oath to uphold it. The document itself specifies how it may be changed and if enough people want to, that's how it should be done; NOT by usurpation of power and the rights of the people. For the record, I believe the problems with the constitution involve giving the government too much power as opposed to too little. Governments should be instituted among men to secure rights (where did I read that before?), not exercise arbitrary power over it's "subjects".

Liberty by definition; is the freedom from exercise of arbitrary power. Tyranny by definition is being subject to the arbitrary exercise of power.

And what; pray tell, does the constitution have to do with the bible; King James version or otherwise? The founders kept our constitution very secular. Our rights are based on natural law.
 

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Ok, I'm back....and I haven't read any of your replies yet...

-Saw a great scene the other day in a live broadcast from Libya. As far as the eye could see, every man and boy had their very own rifle! A virtual OC dream come true. With that kind of citizen weaponry, Libya must be one of the safest places on earth, right? I mean, all the "good people" had guns and, according to many of your OC rants, that would keep the bad guys at bay. How's that been working out there? Oh, that's not the USA!


-You just insulted every person that has served in combat overseas to include myself. Have you been to Afghanistan, Iraq or Vietnam? I don't think so; you can't compare the freedoms of the USA with those 44 years of dictatorship in Libya. They had a revolution....just like we did in the 1700's, I'm sure most men and yes even boys had a musket in the 1700's during the revolution as well as the civil war.

-You have no clue and shouldn't be in any position of authority as to dealing with the law abiding citizen. I just sat on a jury where a lady was being charged with Theft, obstruction, and battery on an officer. The prosecution was proud it was being filmed, but she was found innocent on all counts since it clearly showed the officer over stepped his authority, misused his position, and quoted laws that were not true. If we could have held the deputy accountable we would have found him guilty of battery, false arrest, harassment, and anything else we could have. He thought that a badge made him a god and from your posts you have the same mentality. I hope you find a different profession soon.
 

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-You just insulted every person that has served in combat overseas to include myself. Have you been to Afghanistan, Iraq or Vietnam? I don't think so; you can't compare the freedoms of the USA with those 44 years of dictatorship in Libya. They had a revolution....just like we did in the 1700's, I'm sure most men and yes even boys had a musket in the 1700's during the revolution as well as the civil war.

Wrong. They had a revolution like the French had at the turn of the 18th century. All evidence points to them repeating the history of the French. The leadup did not include enlightenment thinking or anything akin to our Declaration of Independence. And now they seem to be murdering and contributing to chaos. Very reminiscent of the French. They likely will not institute a Republic based on liberty and self rule; instead it will likely codify the winners version of tyranny.
 

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Does anyone else get the feeling we could spend our last breath telling this troll the sky is blue, with all the scientific evidence to back us up, and he'd still have his fingers in his ears chanting, "I can't hear you, I can't hear you!"?

Oh well, I guess since we're just the 4 people at the Rose bowl we obviously don't matter...especially since he won't read what we've posted.

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