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BREAKING NEWS: At Least 10 Dead, 20 Hurt in Aurora Colorado Shooting Spree

x1wildone

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TFred I would have to assume that you did not even read your own reply and the cite that you provided. If you did read it then you did not understand it. Think for 1 second ,where did this info come from? what is the date? This article is the exact reason and backup info for why we passed preemption in 2003. Please do not be so quik to post incorrect info.
 

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Sorry, the theater is not liable. How can they be held liable for the actions of their customers?? If I walk into the theater lobby and pull out a knife, and slash somebody's throat, would they be liable? Heck no. It's no different. If they were held liable for acts beyond their control, no business could afford to stay open, because they would be constantly paying settlements every time a fight broke out and someone got hurt. Until a court of law says they are, in fact, liable for things their customers do, nobody will change my sentiment.

Well, you know that little message on McDonalds cups that says the contents is hot? Those warnings got there for a reason, after a jury awarded $160,000 to cover medical expenses and compensatory damages (in addition to $2.7 million in punitive damages) to Stella Liebeck who suffered 3rd degree burns.

Imagine what the familes and victims of the shooting will do. They are going to say the theater was negligent, and they will win, regardless if they claim it was beyond their control. This is why movie theaters are required to carry insurance.
 

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I know a furniture company that was almost bankrupted because they had to pay a $4.1 million settlement in the Happy Land night club fire case.

The night club had 7 chairs that didnt meet current fire standards and thus the company had to pay what amounted to pay $4.1 million.

Please read the details of the case and see why America is so screwed up and the cost of doing business here is driving jobs out of America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire
 

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TFred I would have to assume that you did not even read your own reply and the cite that you provided. If you did read it then you did not understand it. Think for 1 second ,where did this info come from? what is the date? This article is the exact reason and backup info for why we passed preemption in 2003. Please do not be so quik to post incorrect info.
Hmm, I posted a reply to this earlier, but it does not appear to be here. What I said:

You are correct, I skimmed. A rare transgression on my part. I will read up on the current Denver case.

TFred
 

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I am not at all aware of Colorado laws. Google kicked the following web page out for me, which seems to indicate that the wide variety of gun laws throughout the state are pretty much in a shambles, the poster child crying for an effective state-wide preemption:

http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm

Of course I am interested in the real facts, and if that web page is wrong, it would probably be a good idea to let them know to take it down. I will be glad to learn what is going on.

TFred

Just a minor note, well major note. Colorado does have a State wide Preemption except Denver Metro maybe he was crying about Denver metro? and if so he needs to stop talking and start working we have a Appeal in the 10Th circuit as we speak and can sure use all the help to make Denver respect our rights and constitution. (he as in the reporter or whoever you heard this from) heres a link to our appeal thread if your interested in the REAL truth! http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...rtinez-(10th-Circuit)-Official-Appeals-Thread and heres a link to our first case against Denver metro http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?77035-Peterson-v-LaCabe-(Denver-CO)-MSJ-Filed
 
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Not only were you wrong about the Gulf of Tonkin, the sinking of the Lusitania(thinking you meant USS Liberty) you were woefully wrong about the reason for the Iraq war. Again you really should not embarrass yourself and your fellow liberals with such outright untrue statements.

Here is the reason for us going to war with Iraq, right from a Republican's mouth:

http://youtu.be/IJiNtpIpD6k

Howdy Folks!
Help me out here. This relates to the shooting in Aurora how?
I'm pretty sure the bad guy didn't have any yellow cake in his apartment, wasn't party to the Gulf of Tonkin incident or responsible for the war in Iraq.
So I hope you can understand why I'd be confused about relevance to this thread.

I'm sure I could figure it out by reading through all 9 pages, but I've had only 3 hours of sleep, it is 5am, and I have a ton of things on my plate this morning so ain't got time to wonder whether my thread got hijacked. So, help me out please.

Blessings,
M-Taliesin
 

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Howdy Folks!
Help me out here. This relates to the shooting in Aurora how?
I'm pretty sure the bad guy didn't have any yellow cake in his apartment, wasn't party to the Gulf of Tonkin incident or responsible for the war in Iraq.
So I hope you can understand why I'd be confused about relevance to this thread.

I'm sure I could figure it out by reading through all 9 pages, but I've had only 3 hours of sleep, it is 5am, and I have a ton of things on my plate this morning so ain't got time to wonder whether my thread got hijacked. So, help me out please.

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

They're trying to prove that the government would do something like this by showing stuff the government has done in the past... That false flag thing...
 

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That false flag thing...

This.

And why did the shooter's family hire a lawyer? I understand that they might fear retribution on the part of someone hurt by this event whom may have been driven to a similar metal state as their son, but in that event, you don't need a lawyer, you need police protection or a private security firm. If they fear civil liability or prosecution, they must believe someone has evidence of some involvement in the crime.

More and more, this whole thing stinks of funny business and shenanigans.
 
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This.

And why did the shooter's family hire a lawyer? I understand that they might fear retribution on the part of someone hurt by this event whom may have been driven to a similar metal state as their son, but in that event, you don't need a lawyer, you need police protection or a private security firm. If they fear civil liability or prosecution, they must believe someone has evidence of some involvement in the crime.

More and more, this whole thing stinks of funny business and shenanigans.

Maybe because they can afford a attorney. It is not uncommon, and certainly not indicative of some plot. Considering the number of whackos out there that can't function without wild thoughts it was a good move. And we don't know that they do not have security or heightened police protection from people that lack the ability to seperate reality from fantasy.
 

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Maybe because they can afford a attorney. It is not uncommon, and certainly not indicative of some plot. Considering the number of whackos out there that can't function without wild thoughts it was a good move. And we don't know that they do not have security or heightened police protection from people that lack the ability to seperate reality from fantasy.

Agreed, i know i would take every step i could to ensure my safety if one of my family did something to piss of the entire state and i had nothing to do with it. Hell this day and age you haveto protect yourself from everything. because i know there are some people that can and will get my address and try to take justice into there own hands toward anyone related to said person. thats just my logical 2 cents.
 

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Maybe because they can afford a attorney. It is not uncommon, and certainly not indicative of some plot. Considering the number of whackos out there that can't function without wild thoughts it was a good move. And we don't know that they do not have security or heightened police protection from people that lack the ability to seperate reality from fantasy.
I thought I heard that the family lives in San diego and has local LE doing some security around their home. I think it is more to ensure their privacy from the press and I think they have a lawyer to speak for them. I recall a deputy sheriff giving some reasons why the sheriff's department was outside their home. I could be wrong though.
 

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This.

And why did the shooter's family hire a lawyer? I understand that they might fear retribution on the part of someone hurt by this event whom may have been driven to a similar metal state as their son, but in that event, you don't need a lawyer, you need police protection or a private security firm. If they fear civil liability or prosecution, they must believe someone has evidence of some involvement in the crime.

They most likely hired an attorney because America is a sue happy country and they are going to be sued regardless of any evidence of culpability.

They also probably arent paying for the attorney because in these high profile cases attorneys will represent for free to gain publicity so they can then sue other people.

Isnt America great ?
 

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This.

And why did the shooter's family hire a lawyer?

Initial media response portrayed Holmes' mother phoning authorities, asserting that they "have the right person". Seems to me like mommy kept a secret that could have prevented her little angel from mass murder. I'd say that's why they hired a lawyer.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/nation...-falsely-reported-her-initial-media-statement

The mother claims they "falsely reported me." ABC News is sticking to its story. She was the red flag holder and chose not to report her whacko of a son. If she was aware of his capability and intent and chose not to report, then she--along with whomever else knew, should be held liable to some extent. Sounds like the attorneys have advised her to recant her initial story in her defense.
 

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Initial media response portrayed Holmes' mother phoning authorities, asserting that they "have the right person". Seems to me like mommy kept a secret that could have prevented her little angel from mass murder. I'd say that's why they hired a lawyer.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/nation...-falsely-reported-her-initial-media-statement

The mother claims they "falsely reported me." ABC News is sticking to its story. She was the red flag holder and chose not to report her whacko of a son. If she was aware of his capability and intent and chose not to report, then she--along with whomever else knew, should be held liable to some extent. Sounds like the attorneys have advised her to recant her initial story in her defense.

Nawww ABC would never lie~~or falsely edit a booking video...:banghead:
 

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Letter to my Congressmen about S.A. 2575 - Libs knee-jerk response to Aurora shooting

Hello, folks. I wrote the following letter to my Congressmen, urging them to oppose S.A 2575, a measure tacked on to the Cybersecurity Bill by Feinstein and other bleeders. That measure would make it illegal to posses a magazine which held more than 10 rounds.

Please feel free to copy it and send it to your own Congressmen, after modifying it to suit your own background, of course.

Dear Congressman X:

Like many here in Colorado, I was appalled by the Aurora shooting. As a retired military veteran, however, I was equally appalled to read about S.A. 2575, which would make it illegal for me to carry more than 10 rounds of ammunition in defense of myself and my loved ones.

I am appalled because S.R. 2575 is illegal, unethical, and counterproductive to our free society. In fact, it makes shootings like the one in Aurora more likely to happen, as well as more likely to result in greater losses of life.

As a graduate of Virginia Tech, I have a vested interest in this issue. I was deeply moved by that massacre, and thought, "if only I had been there, I could have curbed at least some of the loss of life."

"How?" you might ask. Simple: I carry a firearm everywhere I go, and am well-trained in its use.

As a military officer, I also took the same oath of office as you, Congressman. It reads, "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

Our Second Amendment became a part of our Constitution when the Bill of Rights was passed. It specifically states: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

I may be retired, but my oath never expires. It requires me to protect and defend our Constitution, and S.A. 2575 is a threat to our Constitutional rights and freedoms. Those who propose or support S.A. 2575 are the domestic enemies about which our Founding Fathers spoke. One cannot support S.A. 2575 without directly violating one's oath of office.

Furthermore, this line of effort is counter-productive. Reducing the number of rounds in a magazine makes it increasingly unlikely that an honest, law-abiding citizen will be able to stop a shooter such as James Holmes, clad as he was in body armor.

I'd like to share with you some facts and myths about "high capacity" firearms:

Myth: High capacity guns lead to more deadly shootings

Fact: Much of this myth comes from the fact that the general availability of high-capacity handguns briefly preceded the rise in the crack cocaine trade, which brought a new kind of violence in local drug wars.408

Fact: The number of shots fired by criminals has not changed significantly even with the increased capacity of handguns and other firearms. Indeed, the number of shots from revolvers (all with a 6-8 round capacity) and semi-automatics were about the same – 2.04 vs. 2.53.409 In a crime or gun battle, there is seldom time or need to shoot more.

Fact: Fatal criminal shootings declined from 4.3% to 3.3% from 1974 through 1995, when ownership of semi-automatics and large capacity handguns were rising at their fastest rate.410 Fatal shootings of police officers declined sharply from 1988 through 1993.411

Fact: Drug dealers tend to be “more deliberate in their efforts to kill their victims by shooting them multiple times.”412

Footnotes:
408 Targeting Guns, Gary Kleck, 1997.

409 Urban firearm deaths: A five-year perspective, Michael McGonigal, John Cole, William Schwab, Donald Kauder, Michael Rotondo, Peter Angood, Journal of Trauma, 1993.

410 FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1966-1995.

411 Firearm injury from crime, Marianne Zawitz, 1996, Bureau of Justice Statistics.

412 Epidemiological changes in gunshot wounds in Washington D.C, Webster, Champion, Gainer and Sykes, Archives of Surgery, 1992.

Source: Gun Facts 6.1 by Guy Smith.

In light of the above facts, and based on my 23 years of experience carrying a firearm, I urge you, Congressman, to oppose S.A. 2575 and any similar legislation. They do NOT work, and are counterproductive to both our safety and security.

Reducing the ability of honest, law-abiding citizens to defend themselves as necessary is NOT a viable solution. It is a knee-jerk reaction at best, and a mindless, counter-productive violation of our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
 
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