Ask a Cop.

[LkWd_Don]

+1. It's all about wording. They "asked" for his ID, which they have the right to do, but they continued to ask for it when he refused. Their reason was that they "didn't know" if he was a felon (ignoring the fact that they need RAS that he is a felon to detain him). I don't know about you, but if some random guy I didn't know just started accusing me of being a criminal, I might be a little short with him too.

I would disagree with your statement that the Police (being and acting as Police) have a RIGHT of any kind. We as citizens have rights.
They have "authority" to act within prescribed limits; authority that "WE the People" gave them through our past (ancestors) concurrence of the US and State Constitutions. I would ask that you show me where in either of our Constitutions (especially in our US bill of rights) that Police are given the RIGHT to do anything.

 

[BigDave]

Oh that is right, I almost forgot what this thread was about with all the twisting and turning, adding and subtracting of the topic. :lol:

Has anyone seen this?
[video=youtube;o8f4KbmcQ0M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8f4KbmcQ0M&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

[amzbrady]

I would disagree with your statement that the Police (being and acting as Police) have a RIGHT of any kind. We as citizens have rights.
They have "authority" to act within prescribed limits; authority that "WE the People" gave them through our past (ancestors) concurrence of the US and State Constitutions. I would ask that you show me where in either of our Constitutions (especially in our US bill of rights) that Police are given the RIGHT to do anything.

Kinda like when you see a cop speeding down the freeway carpool lane by themself, without emergency lights on after they have pulled someone over for speeding.

 

[gogodawgs]

Seems that Mr Troyer knows about us.... well it's about time. Now he just needs to teach the PCSO to leave us alone to go about our lawful business.

 

[rapgood]

As seen on Judge Alex...

I don't watch cop or judge shows on TV, but my wife does. What she saw recently when a 60-something y/o woman was on the show.

Judge: Why do you carry a handgun?
Woman: Because I can.
Judge: That's good enough for me!

Maybe some local judges, prosecutors and LEOs should watch more daytime TV for refreshers on the Constitution.

 

[Cubex DE]

I would disagree with your statement that the Police (being and acting as Police) have a RIGHT of any kind. We as citizens have rights.
They have "authority" to act within prescribed limits; authority that "WE the People" gave them through our past (ancestors) concurrence of the US and State Constitutions. I would ask that you show me where in either of our Constitutions (especially in our US bill of rights) that Police are given the RIGHT to do anything.

You are correct. If you replace the word "right" with the word "authority" in that sentence, it is once again correct.

 

[LkWd_Don]

Kinda like when you see a cop speeding down the freeway carpool lane by themself, without emergency lights on after they have pulled someone over for speeding.

Unfortunately, most of our legislators and legislatures have permitted the Police to violate laws in order to enforce them. Can't catch a speeder if you don't speed yourself. As for them speeding without lights or siren, I have complained more than just a few times about it before and been told every time that the officer was responding to a call that required discretion. Meaning they had been given authority to respond to an urgent situation and to get there without running lights and siren. Without being on their specific communications system and able to record their exchanges to know if such an order was given or request granted by dispatch, I have no proof to push the issue.

Oh that is right, I almost forgot what this thread was about with all the twisting and turning, adding and subtracting of the topic. :lol:

Again, it comes back to asking a Cop or anyone affiliated with them is worthless. Cops are not attorneys and enforce the laws as they understand them and those who work with cops will cover for them if they doubt that they could lose their jobs for doing so.

 

[LkWd_Don]

You are correct. If you replace the word "right" with the word "authority" in that sentence, it is once again correct.

Maybe I am not following what you are trying to say here. Which sentence are you referring to and in what context are you saying that the word "right" should be replaced by authority?

Let me remind you what I said:

I would disagree with your statement that the Police (being and acting as Police) have a RIGHT of any kind. We as citizens have rights.
They have "authority" to act within prescribed limits; authority that "WE the People" gave them through our past (ancestors) concurrence of the US and State Constitutions. I would ask that you show me where in either of our Constitutions (especially in our US bill of rights) that Police are given the RIGHT to do anything.

 

[Cubex DE]

Which sentence are you referring to and in what context are you saying that the word "right" should be replaced by authority?

Back in my reply which you originally replied to, which I have now edited.