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Argued with a libtard on TV

Jeff. State

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LMTD thank you for your activism/participation in this! Thank you for sharing.

Your defense of Individual Rights against the tyranny of "Democracy" was perfect. I would have asked the lady if a town doesn't like to see homosexuals on their streets, can they outlaw them if they have a "majority"?


Thanks again for posting this.
 

deepdiver

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I applaud LMTD for debating in the lion's den as it were.

While I was surprised that he didn't beat them down with "shall not be infringed" in the 2A, I can understand how that happens having been cornered myself in an unfriendly audience debate. In this case LMTD is arguing facts and law and the other side was arguing feelings. It takes no effort to ramble on about how one feels and really, how do you challenge that? You can't say, "Well, you don't really feel that way" or reply with "Your feelings are invalid". You have to counter with something that acknowledges those feelings (no matter how insane or you lose the sympathy of your audience) and then counter with a "but it doesn't matter how you feel because constitution" all while being nice and not looking like a bully beating up on a poor defenseless woman who just wants her community to be safe (so the audience sees it). In other words, she started off with the sympathy vote which had to dismantled politely. Further, LMTD had to do it off the cuff citing facts and quotes from memory with a camera in his face, a host who stated inaccuracies as facts and some audience hostility. Lastly, since she was mostly making emotional arguments disguised as rights (the right to "feel' safe without guns around as it were) there is little to attack her about for mis-citing something, however, LMTD has to make factual arguments without error to give room to be beat down later for a mistake and in that pressure cooker it is easy to start questioning yourself and wondering if you misstated something. We've all had those moments where someone asks what we just said, we response with "I didn't say that" but you really did because your mind was processing something else and it all came out wrong.

Well done, LMTD!
 

Ezek

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I applaud LMTD for debating in the lion's den as it were.

While I was surprised that he didn't beat them down with "shall not be infringed" in the 2A, I can understand how that happens having been cornered myself in an unfriendly audience debate. In this case LMTD is arguing facts and law and the other side was arguing feelings. It takes no effort to ramble on about how one feels and really, how do you challenge that? You can't say, "Well, you don't really feel that way" or reply with "Your feelings are invalid". You have to counter with something that acknowledges those feelings (no matter how insane or you lose the sympathy of your audience) and then counter with a "but it doesn't matter how you feel because constitution" all while being nice and not looking like a bully beating up on a poor defenseless woman who just wants her community to be safe (so the audience sees it). In other words, she started off with the sympathy vote which had to dismantled politely. Further, LMTD had to do it off the cuff citing facts and quotes from memory with a camera in his face, a host who stated inaccuracies as facts and some audience hostility. Lastly, since she was mostly making emotional arguments disguised as rights (the right to "feel' safe without guns around as it were) there is little to attack her about for mis-citing something, however, LMTD has to make factual arguments without error to give room to be beat down later for a mistake and in that pressure cooker it is easy to start questioning yourself and wondering if you misstated something. We've all had those moments where someone asks what we just said, we response with "I didn't say that" but you really did because your mind was processing something else and it all came out wrong.

Well done, LMTD!

I second this.
I hate to say it sir, but you where Baited into the argument battling not one opponent but two, and left scrambling to find answers with little to no time. ultimately, it was an unfair debate.


It is very hard to argue against emotional with logic. I argue this way with my wife a lot, and always find myself saying, "so you feel better" but your not ACTUALLY better, you just allowing the perception to be your shield, whereas a weapon/armor would actually BE a shield." and on and on.

Although our latest argument is over me getting a CBR600 that isn't as easy to argue, cause while I can present valid points, so can she, the unfortunate part is her valid points also have an emotional basis which gives them more meaning in her mind.
 

OC for ME

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Although our latest argument is over me getting a CBR600 that isn't as easy to argue, cause while I can present valid points, so can she, the unfortunate part is her valid points also have an emotional basis which gives them more meaning in her mind.
I work every day to secure my domestic tranquility, not a easy task to be sure. Happy wife, happy life. ;)

We are a benevolent king, and we are not a very observant one to boot (the queen has informed us of this from time to time:banghead:), we are kind-of lazy to be honest (if our queen is to be believed :uhoh:). But, we rule with a firm, yet distant hand. We have a few king's rules for our kingdom that, if violated, will elicit the wrath of the king...and pretty much leave the rest of the untold number of rules in our kingdom (some of which we discover we violated after we violate the king's rule) to our lovely queen. Remember, the king is not above the king's law, our queen has informed us of this. ;)
 
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