ar15 question

[Batousaii]

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He doesn't have an AR (or pistol variant), [yes i know this for a fact], he was just asking a question in regards to a potential future purchase. There are AR-15 pistols, they have 6" 10" and other various (legal) lengths, all legal for public sale. I can easily see how someone would wonder "why" they cant put a butt stock on one of those AR-pistols, as they even have the tube assembly sticking out (yeah, i know it's just fully round and no locking holes)... but still looks like it would accept a stock, so curiosity might occur...

Politeness and etiquette,rather than assertive assumptions, would be a preferable means of conveying or offering a reply.

:?Bat

 

[amzbrady]

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After Katrina, Didnt thenational gaurdenforce martial law and confiscate ALL guns?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=katrina+confiscation&search_type=&aq=0&oq=katrina+conf

 

[joeroket]

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amzbrady wrote:

After Katrina, Didnt the national gaurd enforce martial law and confiscate ALL guns?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=katrina+confiscation&search_type=&aq=0&oq=katrina+conf

Martial Law is a different beast in itself. I heard there is a provision for Posse Comitatus to be suspended under martial law.

 

[amlevin]

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Capn Camo wrote:

The question hasnt been answered:

"Hey im new to the forum and just want to know if some one could tell me if it is illegal to put a buttstock on a 12.5 or 14.5inch ar15 and if so why thanks for your time "

Thats TWO questions:

1.) why do you have an AR with an illegal length barrell in the first place? 16.5 is the minimum if I recall correctly

2.) changing the butt DOES NOT change the barrel length.


A vertical fore grip DOES NOT change a rifle to a pistol. The ATF paper says "originally manufactured as a pistol..."

Its just a matter of reading the Law and not reading extra material into it.

Pistol means exactly that.

Actually it is a barrel length of 16". Many add the 1/2" jsut to make sure someone that has a funny tape measure doesn't think the barrel is too short. (IIRC, Randy Weaver was subjected to a bad measurement that started the whole mess he got into)

Any AR-15 Pistol has a lower reciever branded as "Pistol" or is registered with the BATF as a Pistol. Adding a fixed stock to a pistol creates an AOW as it can't become a rifle (remember the lower reciever markings?). Even if you COULD LEGALLY create a rifle then the WA State SBR law comes into effect.

Just buy a Sig 5.56 Pistol. No stock is required and it doesn't have the extended buffer tube that gets in the way. Oh, by the way, adding a crutch tip to the end of the buffer tube could be considered by some in enforcement as making it into a stock.

 

[joeroket]

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amlevin wrote:

Capn Camo wrote:

The question hasnt been answered:

"Hey im new to the forum and just want to know if some one could tell me if it is illegal to put a butt stock on a 12.5 or 14.5 inch ar15 and if so why thanks for your time  "

Thats TWO questions:

1.) why do you have an AR with an illegal length barrell in the first place? 16.5 is the minimum if I recall correctly

2.) changing the butt DOES NOT change the barrel length.


A vertical fore grip DOES NOT change a rifle to a pistol. The ATF paper says "originally manufactured as a pistol..."

Its just a matter of reading the Law and not reading extra material into it.

Pistol means exactly that.

Actually it is a barrel length of 16".  Many add the 1/2" jsut to make sure someone that has a funny tape measure doesn't think the barrel is too short.  (IIRC, Randy Weaver was subjected to a bad measurement that started the whole mess he got into)

Any AR-15 Pistol has a lower reciever branded as "Pistol" or is registered with the BATF as a Pistol.  Adding a fixed stock to a pistol creates an AOW as it can't become a rifle (remember the lower reciever markings?).  Even if you COULD LEGALLY create a rifle then the WA State SBR law comes into effect.

Just buy a Sig 5.56 Pistol.  No stock is required and it doesn't have the extended buffer tube that gets in the way.  Oh, by the way, adding a crutch tip to the end of the buffer tube could be considered by some in enforcement as making it into a stock.

Adding a crutch tip to a buffer tube would by definition of law turn it into a rifle. Remember a rifle is a firearm that has a barrel of at least 16 inches and is designed to be shoulder fired. This crutch tip would make it designed, whether by a manufacture or individual, to be shoulder fired. Would it not?


edited: I misread previous post.

 

[kito109654]

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Capn Camo wrote:

The question hasnt been answered:

"Hey im new to the forum and just want to know if some one could tell me if it is illegal to put a buttstock on a 12.5 or 14.5inch ar15 and if so why thanks for your time "

Thats TWO questions:

1.) why do you have an AR with an illegal length barrell in the first place? 16.5 is the minimum if I recall correctly

2.) changing the butt DOES NOT change the barrel length.


A vertical fore grip DOES NOT change a rifle to a pistol. The ATF paper says "originally manufactured as a pistol..."

Its just a matter of reading the Law and not reading extra material into it.

Pistol means exactly that.

WRONG.
You could do with some law reading yourself.

 

[killchain]

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I take it this is an AR Pistol he's talking about?

I have an AR15 rifle with a 14.5' barrel, but it has a 1.5' compensator on it to make it 16'.

You can't get an AR-15 rifle without a 16' barrel unless you have an FFL in this state, can you?

 

[kito109654]

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killchain wrote:

I take it this is an AR Pistol he's talking about?

I have an AR15 rifle with a 14.5' barrel, but it has a 1.5' compensator on it to make it 16'.

You can't get an AR-15 rifle without a 16' barrel unless you have an FFL in this state, can you?

Just have to do the SBR paperwork and pay the tax stamp. That is, unless it's a pistol.

 

[David.Car]

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amlevin wrote:

Any AR-15 Pistol has a lower reciever branded as "Pistol" or is registered with the BATF as a Pistol. Adding a fixed stock to a pistol creates an AOW as it can't become a rifle (remember the lower reciever markings?). Even if you COULD LEGALLY create a rifle then the WA State SBR law comes into effect.

Not completely correct. You can take a pistol registered lower and turn it into a rifle. You just need to conform to the 16" requirement or pay your tax stamp.

However! You MAY NOT take a rifle lower and turn it into a pistol.

Only works one way.

 

[killchain]

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kito109654 wrote:

killchain wrote:

I take it this is an AR Pistol he's talking about?

I have an AR15 rifle with a 14.5' barrel, but it has a 1.5' compensator on it to make it 16'.

You can't get an AR-15 rifle without a 16' barrel unless you have an FFL in this state, can you?

Just have to do the SBR paperwork and pay the tax stamp. That is, unless it's a pistol.

REALLY.

Looks like someone's getting a 14.5' barrel then.

 

[joeroket]

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killchain wrote:

kito109654 wrote:

killchain wrote:

I take it this is an AR Pistol he's talking about?

I have an AR15 rifle with a 14.5' barrel, but it has a 1.5' compensator on it to make it 16'.

You can't get an AR-15 rifle without a 16' barrel unless you have an FFL in this state, can you?

Just have to do the SBR paperwork and pay the tax stamp.  That is, unless it's a pistol.

REALLY.

Looks like someone's getting a 14.5' barrel then.

A SBR is unlawful to own in Wa.

 

[killchain]

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joeroket wrote:

killchain wrote:

kito109654 wrote:

killchain wrote:

I take it this is an AR Pistol he's talking about?

I have an AR15 rifle with a 14.5' barrel, but it has a 1.5' compensator on it to make it 16'.

You can't get an AR-15 rifle without a 16' barrel unless you have an FFL in this state, can you?

Just have to do the SBR paperwork and pay the tax stamp. That is, unless it's a pistol.

REALLY.

Looks like someone's getting a 14.5' barrel then.

A SBR is unlawful to own in Wa.

*cue Whammy music*

 

[jgross85]

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ok so what you guys are saying is that all of the ar15 pistols made buy rockriver and olympic arms are not legal cause they have hand guards on them which make them two handed this is why it doesnt make scents so any other answers

 

[joeroket]

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jgross85 wrote:

ok so what you guys are saying is that all of the ar15 pistols made buy rockriver and olympic arms are not legal cause they have hand guards on them which make them two handed this is why it doesnt make scents so any other answers

Not a handguard. He is talking about putting a forward vertical hand grip on it.

 

[jgross85]

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No that's not what I said I'd like to put a rifle length hand guard and a butt stock on a 14*5 inch ar15 nothing to do with a forward grip

 

[kito109654]

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killchain wrote:

kito109654 wrote:

killchain wrote:

I take it this is an AR Pistol he's talking about?

I have an AR15 rifle with a 14.5' barrel, but it has a 1.5' compensator on it to make it 16'.

You can't get an AR-15 rifle without a 16' barrel unless you have an FFL in this state, can you?

Just have to do the SBR paperwork and pay the tax stamp. That is, unless it's a pistol.

REALLY.

Looks like someone's getting a 14.5' barrel then.

a 14.5 is perfectly legal anyways....I thought we just covered this. Your flash hider / compensator needs to be permanently attached and long enough to make the overall lenth 16".

 

[kito109654]

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joeroket wrote:

A SBR is unlawful to own in Wa.

Sorry for the douple post... this is indeed true, I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

 

[killchain]

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kito109654 wrote:

killchain wrote:

kito109654 wrote:

killchain wrote:

I take it this is an AR Pistol he's talking about?

I have an AR15 rifle with a 14.5' barrel, but it has a 1.5' compensator on it to make it 16'.

You can't get an AR-15 rifle without a 16' barrel unless you have an FFL in this state, can you?

Just have to do the SBR paperwork and pay the tax stamp. That is, unless it's a pistol.

REALLY.

Looks like someone's getting a 14.5' barrel then.

a 14.5 is perfectly legal anyways....I thought we just covered this. Your flash hider / compensator needs to be permanently attached and long enough to make the overall lenth 16".

Yeah. It is. It's my one regret. The parkerization makes up for it though.

 

[kito109654]

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The laws are regretful.

 

[killchain]

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kito109654 wrote:

The laws are regretful.

Ain't that, so much as the brand of compensator they pinned in place.

It's an Izzy. It works alright, but God if it ain't LOUD AS HELL.